suliman on 19/7/2004 at 15:35
Quote Posted by descenterace
Seven Foundation books? There were only six:
* Prelude to Foundation (aka Forward the Foundation)
* Foundation
* Foundation and Empire
* Second Foundation
* Foundation's Edge (one of my favourite books)
* Foundation and Earth
prelude to foundation and forward the foundation are different books.
descenterace on 19/7/2004 at 18:15
You sure? In the books I got out the library, only one or the other was mentioned in the 'same series' list...
Ah well, I'd best go looking for 'Prelude' then.
sumeragi on 20/7/2004 at 09:42
For what it's worth, my original post was meant to be more of a humorous observation than an actual serious cry of "Plagiarism!!". No one would rip off a game that no one ever played. And of course the AI didn't go crazy, it just sounded funnier in comparison than "realized complex logic involving the ultimate nature of the protection of humanity in reference to the unofficial Zeroth Law of Robotics".
I didn't mean to insult anyone who liked the movie - I'd only gone to see it in the vain hopes of catching the Batman Begins trailer, so it's not like I was sitting there with a notebook checking off every inaccuracy with my foggy memories of the short story anthology. But the posts in this thread have been really interesting, especially the ones that call me a pretentious moron, so no complaints here.
liggs on 20/7/2004 at 11:30
[SPOILER]Movie isn't bad, but it certainly aint 'fully' Asimov. But then I didn't really expect it, so I enjoyed it for what it was. Robot fights were actually quite good, and the CGI fairly seemless. Will Smith played his normal Will Smith character. There were some fairly obvious product placements, but the one that really made me smile was the US Robotics one, didn't they used to make modems?
Anyway, when we first introduced to Viki, I thought, Hey! Shodan is in the film,
I wonder if she is going to be the "big bad"?
It seems that Shodan can only play herself, and it proved to be so. I did like the way she justified why she did all that stuff, and I was waiting for her to refer to the humans as "Insects" but she managed to refrain from that.
I think it may all be coincidence, and it is a fairly common Hollywood theme with AIs taking control etc. Anyway 'Ideas' from :
Minority report (stylistically very similar)
Ghost in the shell (+ Innocence sequel)
AI
Terminator
Apple iMac computers (if they made robots.. iRobots... hmmm... interesting)
Bladerunner (he's a cop and he hunts 'robots' - sort of !)
Oh yeah, and a few bits from Asimov books......
Overall, not bad, interesting ideas, great effects, not too silly.
And it had Shodan in it. Is she planning on doing any more?
Must check her imdb.com entry.
Liggs
PS SS2 is the only game that really truly scared me.
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Master Villain on 20/7/2004 at 11:59
Quote Posted by kaos2110
[SPOILER]An A.I that becomes sentient and starts pumping out killer robots. I think your love of System Shock has warped your minds a little. Cast your memories back to Terminator (1). So tell me, what's this "Cybernet" thing again?[/SPOILER]
:p
[SPOILER]Doctor Who did that one in 1966: (
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/episodeguide/warmachine/) - no excuses for bad plotting but it was still pretty damn cool.[/SPOILER]
BlackCapedManX on 20/7/2004 at 22:03
Quote Posted by descenterace
and since
positronic brains are more sensitive than protein brains
I hate to be the evil-logic-scientific person here in the bunch who would pick up such stupid little things, but this coupled with the NS-5 site forced me to question: do they mean positronic/as in anti-election/as in anti-matter/as in matter annihilation brains? Or is this some sort of techno-babble?
Anyway, I'm suprised Gibson has not yet been mentioned for his numerous uses of AI in literature (as well as being a painully obvious inspiration for the crew at LGS and later ISA). Not so much robots however, he was more into AI in cyberspace, but there's a lot of influence here as well. Never heard of Asimov before, so it might be a good idea for me to look into it.
descenterace on 21/7/2004 at 05:15
Asimov never really explained the workings of the positronic brain, but the only positron I know of is the antiparticle.
There are radioactive particles that decay into a positron and a baryon or meson, and the positron would only annihilate when it met an electron, so just because the brain uses antimatter doesn't mean that it has the potential to explode violently. Antimatter is not necessarily dangerous.
Shevers on 21/7/2004 at 11:12
Hmm, reminds me of a fairly good book I read, Angels and Demons by Dan Brown. It's the only time I've heard of antimatter, and I'm quite sure the basic facts about it in the book are correct.
:sly:
jamesge on 5/3/2007 at 05:12
Obviously this is an old thread but I just saw the movie and thought I would comment. I think it's obvious that VIKI is a direct copy of the design for SHODAN, which is enhanced by some similarities between the two AI's behavior, particularly their narcissistic interest in their own "evolution."
