Vivian on 6/1/2017 at 19:53
Quote Posted by Tocky
I will address others actual arguments when I get time (at work now) but I just want to point out (since you haven't the wit to realize it) that by using the "your mum" juvenile jab you not only expose your lack of character and decency but your lack of argument. I let you know that I'm sensitive because my mom may soon die and you sharpen that knowledge into a dagger to use on me. I'm not painting the kitchen now so this isn't an off the hip response any longer. My reaction to your bizarre childish injection into political discussion was spot on the first time I now see.
For some reason you cannot understand that I have thought of what you pointed out and rejected it as over reactionary. I have also pointed out how a woman breaking free of slave or sexual bondage and saving herself is very feminist which you reject as only by low standards. We will never come together on this because you are now seeking emotional triggers to derail me and though you fail it does let me know what sort of person you are and frankly it is disgusting to a point I no longer wish to converse with you. How you managed to even get a girlfriend has become something of a wonder to me. Low standards I assume. Thank heaven I raised my daughter to not only recognize actual sexism but the sort who resorts to low blows.
I am harsh but I am honest. I think the over reaction to a bit of skin anyone can see on the beach is pathetic.
I don't think we will ever get on, no. You're a bit weird. And you make everything SUPER personal, fucking hell. What's your issue? Yeah, I am taking the piss out of you a bit. You went all internet tough guy on me and then tried to blame it on paint fumes, you've got to give me a bit of latitude with that, surely.
NB I have a girlfriend because I am good looking and cool, basically. And generally regarded as a nice man. Wonder no more.
Renzatic on 6/1/2017 at 20:57
The first thing that popped into my head after reading that was "...manscara?"
Renzatic on 6/1/2017 at 20:58
Quote Posted by Vivian
NB I have a girlfriend because I am good looking and cool, basically. And generally regarded as a nice man. Wonder no more.
Have you ever thought that women could just be using you for your dinosaur science?
nickie on 6/1/2017 at 21:41
Quote Posted by Renzatic
The first thing that popped into my head after reading that was "...manscara?"
Eeh, yer so sharp yer could cut yersel' with a knife (or something like that). (Said with a Geordie accent which is the best accent in the world).
Tocky on 6/1/2017 at 23:59
Quote Posted by Vivian
I don't think we will ever get on, no. You're a bit weird. And you make everything SUPER personal, fucking hell. What's your issue? Yeah, I am taking the piss out of you a bit. You went all internet tough guy on me and then tried to blame it on paint fumes, you've got to give me a bit of latitude with that, surely.
NB I have a girlfriend because I am good looking and cool, basically. And generally regarded as a nice man. Wonder no more.
Seriously? You tell me I need to stop huffing paint fumes in my moms vagina and I'M the one who makes things super personal? Can you hear yourself? You demean my intelligence with the paint fumes comment not once but twice and I'M the one making things super personal? You keep bringing up something from another thread where YOU acted weird and I gave you an out by blaming my reaction on paint fumes and being drunk. Live and let live means nothing when somebody disagrees with you apparently. Oh absolutely you would not say the things you say if not for being behind a computer screen. Am I wrong? Do you say these things face to face with folks you hardly know? What do you suppose would happen if you did?
Yeah, you are a nice guy. You forget people can read what you wrote and it does not speak of nice guy. A nice guy does not continue to pick at someone over their mom when he has told you she may die this year and that is the reason he is sensitive over that issue.
Weird I own. Weird I enjoy.
Renzatic on 7/1/2017 at 00:21
Quote Posted by nickie
Eeh, yer so sharp yer could cut yersel' with a knife (or something like that). (Said with a Geordie accent which is the best accent in the world).
One of the hardest to understand, at least from a US perspective. The other one is, of course, Glaswegian.
I'm almost definite this guy is screwing with the host.
[video=youtube;AXGP4Sez_Us]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGP4Sez_Us[/video]
Tocky on 7/1/2017 at 01:00
Quote Posted by Thirith
It can make sense and be empowering on one level while still being absolute male-gaze fodder on another, same as with that scene in
Alien. Things usually have more than one dimension.
And Tocky's strawmanning of Vivian and his opinion is just sad, really.
Strawmanning? Where? He mentioned the ratio of men to women on Star wars so I mentioned the ratio on Harry Potter. How is that strawmanning? If the ratio is important on one then it is on the other. Where did I strawman? Come up with something besides baseless accusation and I might agree with you and not think you are the one who is sad.
demagogue on 7/1/2017 at 01:04
Men's mascara sounds like what goths and their descendants have done since the 80s and Maybelline is a Jenny-come-lately to the scene. But I don't even know what the current incarnation of goth is, if there even is one. Emo is already a decade ago. I guess now it's just that intersex look is in vogue, and there's a whole movement where "recognition" gets rewarded, which is another topic, but I distrust it actually helping the cause of tolerance. I mean in the long run. This news itself seems fine, even quaint.
Re: my general thoughts... Now that I've been working in human rights for a while, where we focus on serious things like domestic violence, the cultural side doesn't really move me. There's a general culture of dismissing women still around that a lot of it points to. So I'd rather go straight to the culture than the artifacts, which I see in terms of inspiring people to take the higher road. But some people don't want to hear it and think criticism is pretentious and arrogant PC or something. More lecturing is only going to get them to double down on their attitude. I wouldn't want to get dragged down trying to dispute the obvious with them so would just say my piece and live and let live, if they're not committing any crime.
Tocky on 7/1/2017 at 01:21
Quote Posted by heywood
Tocky, you are trying too hard. If it were simply a matter of Ripley getting into the cryo sleep pod to end the film, you would have a point. But the underwear scene at the end of Alien was completely gratuitous young male boner bait. Link below if you need to refresh your memory.
[video=youtube;hIgdIugoUJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIgdIugoUJc[/video]
Now, what I don't want to see is titillation in a movie marketed to kids. And that's where RotJ pushes the limit a bit. While it's true that Leia is a strong female character, there is no good reason for exposing kids to scenes suggesting sex slavery or bondage.
Hmmm. I see now that the camera was relentless in it's pursuit of her and perhaps some of it could have been cut but as it is it works and here is why: it is important to show her going about the normal routine of prep for cryo and to draw out the scene of normalcy so the creature appearance is a surprise. The dwelling on her full body could be argued and honestly I was so intent on the creature (or possibly I'm just not very attracted to Sigorney) that I did not pay that much attention. I can see how that was a bit of titillation for some, particularly the step into the space suit, for the young and inexperienced.
As for ROTJ exposing kids to sex slavery or bondage I have to say pish. Kids did not attach adult concepts to the scene. They have yet to develop such concepts. They saw her in chains and Jabba gloating and that's about it.
As for trying too hard, hell I'm shooting off the cuff what I think is all. It ain't trying at all.
