Vivian on 4/1/2017 at 14:36
It's not oversensitive man, it's what women think about it. I am repeating what women say and have said to me about stuff like this. You can call em feminists if you like, but really you're just talking about women. Even westworld, which I thought did a good job of having women in strong roles etc - I was talking to gf and other female mates about it, and they said 'yeah, but they also get raped a lot, and they have to look hot all the time'. It contributes to the idea that women should be judged on their appearance, no matter what else they are also judged on. It's not that she wasn't a decent female character, but that she was the ONLY female character, and no matter what else they did they spent screentime pointing out how hot she looked in her underwear. That's the problem for most women I know, who would mostly like to get on with their lives without having to worry about how attractive they look all the fucking time, and I don't feel like I have any right to tell them they're wrong, because that shit is very much their call. Does that make sense?
Fair point about the 80s though.
Hang on, are you referring to me when you say 'oversensitive weenies'?
faetal on 4/1/2017 at 17:51
It's jarring how EVERY time I'm reading an opinion about how racism / xenophobia / sexism / homophobia / transphobia / etc... aren't as much of a problem as people say it is, it's pretty much guaranteed that it will be a straight white man saying it. I don't feel affected by any of those prejudices either, probably because I am not the target.
Vae on 4/1/2017 at 18:23
Quote Posted by Tocky
Trumps victory can tangentially be attributed to over reaction to oversensitive weenies.
In part, this is true.
Quote Posted by Vivian
It's not oversensitive man, it's what women think about it.
They may
think about it...nonetheless, for the most part, they still will take
action according to their biological directives.
Vivian on 4/1/2017 at 18:31
Quote Posted by Vae
They may
think about it...nonetheless, for the most part, they still will take
action according to their biological directives.
What do you mean?
faetal on 4/1/2017 at 18:32
This should be enlightening.
Vae on 4/1/2017 at 18:58
Quote Posted by Vivian
What do you mean?
It's not an "
idea that women should be judged on their physical appearance"...it's a biological directive for reproduction.
Of course, this isn't the only thing a woman should be judged by...However, since the successful reproduction of a species is paramount, it will generally take priority and be acted upon accordingly...consciously or subconsciously.
Vivian on 4/1/2017 at 19:03
For reproduction, yes. But we're talking about socially and professionally. I like it when hot women look hot in a sexual context, i.e. when I am romantically about to have rad sex them with them (which I do all the time btw). It's a bit weird when it's more of just a general requirement for participation in culture, industry and society. And yes, there is the argument that the space bikini thing was in a sexual context and is therefore cool (which I don't really buy), but its an omnipresent background hum to characterisation of film women in general for that era. Q "What's she like?" A "She's beautiful", etc.
Vae on 4/1/2017 at 19:30
Quote Posted by Vivian
For reproduction, yes. But we're talking about socially and professionally. I like it when hot women look hot in a sexual context, i.e. when I am romantically about to have rad sex them with them (which I do all the time btw).
What I'm saying is that biological directives don't disappear during social and professional contexts, they're only pushed down beneath the surface for functionality.
Quote:
It's a bit weird when it's more of just a general requirement for participation in culture, industry and society.
Biological directives are there at all times. Therefore a woman will be internally driven to be as attractive as possible in any public context. They may of course override this instinct due to a social constraint, yet it will always be there.
Kolya on 5/1/2017 at 00:13
Quote Posted by faetal
It's jarring how EVERY time I'm reading an opinion about how racism / xenophobia / sexism / homophobia / transphobia / etc... aren't as much of a problem as people say it is, it's pretty much guaranteed that it will be a straight white man saying it. I don't feel affected by any of those prejudices either, probably because I am not the target.
When a group's theory can only be falsified by the members of that group it is either an ideology or a religion.
Sexism exists of course. And there exist actual facts to prove it instead of the lazy circular arguments that you require. Every 2 seconds (
http://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures/) a minor girl is being married, (
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/) more than 200 million girls and women alive today have been victims of genital mutilation and equal rights for women aren't normal in large parts of this world.
But yeah, Leia's bikini. Awful. We should start a Facebook group.
Pyrian on 5/1/2017 at 00:23
"Hey color-blind person, I'll bet you can read this rainbow text."
"No I can't."
"Oh, that must be your religion."
