Vivian on 10/1/2017 at 15:34
I've yet to see anyone justify what any of this shit has to do with trump, however. People can't handle thinking about other people?
(NB fisher is mainly famous post-star-wars for mental health advocacy, isn't she? She did shitloads afterwards, becoming a pretty major script-doctor, writing a best-seller, the mental health stuff, etc. Hang on, lemme dig up some articles.)
Ok, it's not an article, but it is her wiki page. There are lots of things she did that didn't involve just not-being-able-to-wear-a-bikini, including writing
Lethal Weapon 3: (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Fisher)
I.E, she wasn't 'a mature woman who still exclusively identified with star wars'. As I think pretty much every single obituary written about her stated.
Kolya on 10/1/2017 at 16:11
Take your time. But the question was what most people could name of the top of their heads.
Vivian on 10/1/2017 at 16:18
I think that was my original point? She has done quite a range of things and been very successful in most of them, but to most people she will just be Leia, and the image that comes up for Leia is usually the bikini. And I thought that was a shame. And it turned out that was a trigger for Tocky to go all grandpa simpson.
Tomi on 10/1/2017 at 16:23
She didn't exactly write Lethal Weapon 3, at least I get the impression that her role in it was rather small. According to the wiki page that you linked "Fisher also did uncredited script work for movies such as Lethal Weapon 3 (where she wrote some of Rene Russo's dialogue)."
Tomi on 10/1/2017 at 16:27
Quote Posted by Vivian
the image that comes up for Leia is usually the bikini.
I would have thought that the white robe and the "Leia bun" is what comes to most people's minds at first.
Renault on 10/1/2017 at 16:38
OK, this bikini thing is really blown WAY out of proportion, I remember it being more of a "thing" in the last 20 years as opposed to when the movie originally came out. As a big SW fan, it's way more of just an amusing sidenote than actually defining what I thought of the character of Leia. When I consider Leia's best moments in the trilogy, I think more of her confrontations with Tarkin and Vader in ANH, or her snappy dialogue with Han near the beginning of Empire, or her distrust of Lando in Jedi. The bikini scene is like, nothing.
So take that, pervs.
Vivian on 10/1/2017 at 16:38
Ok, wrote some of lethal weapon 3. It also says she was one of the top script doctors in hollywood for most of the 2000's.
Brethren, as a big SW fan you might not be the best barometer of the general public. Not in a negative way, but it means you will have spent way more time thinking about it than the average person.
heywood on 10/1/2017 at 17:16
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Then what's to stop the tyranny of the majority? I think you're crediting "asshats from minority groups" with entirely too much power here. As I say, being labelled as prejudiced by a few commentators (probably within an already self-selectively liberal bubble) doesn't seem to have harmed Richard Hammond's position at all. None of the controversies could stop Trump. Where was the weapon when we needed it?
The weapon was squandered.
It used to be that calling someone a racist was a somewhat serious accusation. If somebody called you a racist, you would take it as an insult to your character and it would be cause for some introspection. And doing it publicly could shame someone. But nowadays it gets thrown around so frequently and often indiscriminately that it has lost most of its sting. The terms xenophobe and misogynist have been watered down as well over the last couple of years. Homophobe may be next.
The problem is that these terms have been increasingly politicized. In this last US election cycle, certain groups of Democratic pols, voters, and supporters took the attitude that if you don't agree with me politically, I'm going to throw insults at you, whether or not they're deserved. It used to be just the Al Sharpton's of the world doing this. In recent years it has become widespread. Outside of political arguments, it's also happening a lot on college and university campuses and in some social circles. So when there is legitimate criticism to be made, people now have an excuse to ignore it, because they can dismiss it as just SJWs doing their thing.
Kolya on 10/1/2017 at 18:18
Quote Posted by Vivian
I think that was my original point? She has done quite a range of things and been very successful in most of them, but to most people she will just be Leia, and the image that comes up for Leia is usually the bikini.
What I disagreed with was that this was somehow
"emblematic of everything that was wrong in the 70's and continues to be wrong today." We had and have more serious problems than the fact that men adore a dosed starlet for wearing a bikini in a scifi-swashbuckler in the 70s. Men like to look at scantily clad young women, this is never going to change. The attitude towards and success of actual feminist issues however has improved a lot (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism) during and since the 70s. Ignoring that and eternally painting women as victims of a patriarchal society, whether it is actually the case or not, just because it is seems a useful concept to push an agenda, is doing no one a favour. There are cases where it is justified but I don't think this is one of them.
Pyrian on 10/1/2017 at 18:33
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In recent years it has become widespread.
I think you're overstating it. The right-wing propaganda machines amplify whatever dregs of nonsense they can dig up from random dark corners of the web, and/or take things out of context, and/or just make stuff up. And they'd do that regardless of whether certain accusations are just or not. But it's really noticeable that when the right wants to find something ridiculous to make fun of, they usually have to dig up some anonymous troll or falsify a quote, whereas all the left has to do to find something ridiculous is check the president-elect's recent twitter feed.
