Agent Monkeysee on 14/10/2005 at 23:34
Knock it off.
jono456 on 15/10/2005 at 03:50
A post from Mr Whedon himself (taken from the comments of (
http://whedonesque.com/comments/8497) which took it from the official browncoats forum):
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Posted: 14 Oct 2005 10:18 am
Post subject: Joss made a post from typings!
Hello, young lovers, wherever you are. This is Joss, coming to you live via technology. I thought it would be fair to give you all my little State of the Onion before I descend into the depths of the Warren to pound away at my keyboard, munch lettuce and ignore that annoying nerd Fiver who keeps saying something bad is coming, like he can tell or whatever. I'm excited to beat this Wonder Woman script into shape (and munch lettuce). Mostly, to be honest, I'm excited to (deliberately split infinitive) not be a Professional Serenity Barker. I love you guys, I loves me some Serenity cast, but I am yammered out. By Spain it just got surreal (I think Nathan and Summer will back me on that one). Selling is not my strong suit. Actually, my strong suit is Kevlar, but it bunches in all the wrong places.
So I have read much over the past weeks: we have Won! Lost! Triumphed! Failed! and have, of course, agreed with every single thing I read (one of the exhausting things about having no personality). But in the dark blue of early morning I do have some perspective, and it runs thus:
I'm very content. I think the movie is really good. That was hard to a)do and b) realize. The response has been terrific, the majority of the reviews extremely positive: people GOT IT. What's more, an impressive number of people saw this movie who never would have, and even more still will. This is not spin: I know we didn't do the expected numbers our first weekend, we didn't have an unprecedentedly small drop-off the second (which was my personal fantasy.) I've been to some dark places, just like you guys. But the movie has legs, and people who loved it LOVED it crazy, the way love is supposed to be. Europe has been a nice boost (and a lung-splitting shout out to my UK and Aussie UIPeeps -- they're dears, and efficient as hell). We'll keep soldiering on, until we can't crawl and we find DVD to carry us. I see us kind of like the Shawshank Redemption without all the Oscar nominations (unless Best Feet becomes a catagory). People who were befuddled by the title or lack of premise hook will finally pick it up, and keep picking it up... They may miss out on the big-screen exitement, but they'll see our little tale and take it to their hearts. Takes a while. Just like the show.
I've seen a couple of posts with Browncoats beating themselves up about not having done enough. I never want to hear that again. You guys have gone above and beyond above and beyond. The people who are above and beyond are looking at you guys and going "Man, don't they ever quit?" Your efforts, and your investment (emotional as well as tickety) have done an enormous amount for this film and my battered heart. No more self-flagellation, unless it's the healthy, what-every-young-person-needs-to-learn-about-their-body kind.
And what about Da Fyoocha? (And why did I need Arnold to say that?) I have no idea. It could be that this tale is told. Or it could be that down the line, dollars accumulate and some exec says, "let's spin that wheel again." Or who knows. I'm not resting my hopes on it, but it's not a concept I'll ever close the book on. In case the 30,000 reporters I told didn't get this message out, I love this crew like Nick loves Nora, like Hellboy loves Pancakes, like Bridgitte loves Bernie (and if you're old enough to get that reference, my condolences.)
Thank you all. I'll be in touch again, but I have an Amazon to rassle. Remember that this is not over; every dollar (or Euro) counts, every new convert is a friend for life. But don't fret too much on what's to come. Enjoy the remarkable things we've accomplished. You're Big Damn Fans. Have some lettuce.
All love, Joss.
So it seems that a sequel is not on the table at the moment, but DVD sales 'may' turn that around.
For a short article about the relationship between studio income and box office numbers, see this:
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http://slate.msn.com/id/2118819)
Hidden_7 on 15/10/2005 at 04:23
In conclusion, it had a good run. Well not really, it was a rather short run, and I got in on the end, but it was a fun run, and it will most likely be one of those culty little IPs that 20 years from now your kids will find your DVDs and be like "Oh what's this" and you'll go "Oh snap, that was Firefly, it kicked ass" and they will watch it and go "this is kinda weird and old" and that will be that.
All things are fleeting people, enjoy them while they last, and don't worry about the people that don't.
Ok, can I just say something here. As an aside. It's about River. And about how some detractors seem to be treating her. "Buffy in Space" etc.
Whedon does like girlies that can kick ass. He did Buffy, an action show with a predominatly female cast, and a female lead that serves up fools. He's also writing Wonder Woman right now. But Angel didn't have any ladies laying the smack (did it?), and more importantly River is not "Space Buffy." They are completly different characters, both of whom are ladies that can kick ass. River doesn't even kick ass until the movie, it's not a predominant part of her character. It'd be more apt to be all "Oh Mal is a space Angel," or to call Zoe the space Buffy.
I just find this a kind of unfair and superficial criticism. Sure, the trailers make it look like it's Rivercentric and she smashes skulls, and she does, but it's way more effective than when Buffy does it, because being powerful is NOT part of River's MO. She's more the Blind Seer type. And Firefly/Serenity isn't about River anyway. So like, lay off guys, there are better paralels to be drawn.
jono456 on 15/10/2005 at 14:10
I think what Renegen was refering to was the final net income of the studio - if you check out the second link I posted above you'll see that even a box office sale well above the film's cost may not cover the cost for the studio (once all the middlemen take their cut).
For example (from the article on (
http://slate.msn.com/id/2118819) )
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First, the reported "grosses" are not those of the studios but those of the movie houses. The movie houses take these sums and keep their share (or what they claim is their share)—which can amount to more than 50 percent of the original box-office total. Consider, for example, Touchstone's Gone in 60 Seconds, which had a $242 million box-office gross. From this impressive haul, the theaters kept $129.8 million and remitted the balance to Disney's distribution arm, Buena Vista. After paying mandatory trade dues to the MPAA, Buena Vista was left with $101.6 million. From this amount, it repaid the marketing expenses that had been advanced—$13 million for prints so the film could open in thousands of theatres; $10.2 million for the insurance, local taxes, custom clearances, and other logistical expenses; and $67.4 million for advertising. What remained of the nearly quarter-billion-dollar "gross" was a paltry $11 million. (And that figure does not account for the $103.3 million that Disney had paid to make the movie in the first place.)
So as you can see, even though the box office 'income' was $242 million, this did not cover the film's production cost by a long shot.
I should also mention as a disclaimer that I know very little about these things - I am mainly going by what I read in the article linked above and a few other sources. :)
ignatios on 15/10/2005 at 14:32
God damnit. I'm a fan but this is retarded. Serenity is not the box office hit anyone hoped it would be. It's a fine movie (great if you're a fan) but at best it's a high note for the series to end on.
Unless the unexpected happens, by all reckoning, there will be no sequel.
fin
Renegen on 16/10/2005 at 14:09
Yeah that's what I was refering, studios only get in total about 40% of all box office receips or something. And DVD sales represent now about 2/3+ of a movie's total revenues. Plus some movies only get popular once the DVD is released.
thefonz on 16/10/2005 at 17:02
by all means Whedon should take it further; he knows the fans are there - but I reckon the best route is straight to dvd movie releases.
they've been subjected to classifications as 2crap" movies go straight to dvd; but i honestly dont think theres a problem with it.
look at babylon 5 for instance (ok so i didnt really get into that show); but its the perfect example of playing to the fans wants - put mini movies on dvd; or hell - one off tv movies.
the beauty of Firefly is that its enormously expansive in its scope, so you can get away with tv movies; or one-offs which has their storyline on certain aspects of the universe.
you couldnt for instance do that with 24 - which only works over a tv series.
y'see?
hmm...*sips wine*
Ulukai on 16/10/2005 at 19:12
I saw the movie on Saturday.
I thoroughly enjoyed myself, and I've never seen Firefly. Couldn't give a toss whether it made a profit or whether they're making a sequel, though.
Deep Qantas on 16/10/2005 at 20:09
Serenity vs Predator 2