june gloom on 2/11/2020 at 23:48
Nazis want me dead because I'm queer and disabled. They want my friends dead because they're variously queer and brown and Jewish and disabled. Nazis and their alt-right friends are an existential threat to justice, freedom and equality everywhere. My grandpa's generation knew what to do with them. Now we argue that we should defeat them in the marketplace of ideas instead. I don't know where that is, I'd rather defeat them on Earth first.
Kolya on 3/11/2020 at 01:18
Quote Posted by june gloom
Now we argue that we should defeat them in the marketplace of ideas instead.
I don't see anyone arguing that point.
Also unless you've actually been attacked, for your own sake, stop digging into these thoughts of who might want you dead. There will always be people who'll hate what you represent to them. Despite your fantasies, neither you nor anyone of your band of misfits will ever kill them. Living a happy life will be your best shot at revenge.
Tocky on 3/11/2020 at 06:19
Quote Posted by SubJeff
Sean Connery walks into a bar....
...and sits down beside a very attractive woman.He gives her a casual look then looks at his watch for a moment. The woman notices this and says "Is your date running late?".
"No" he says. "Q has given me this shtate of the art watch and I was just testing it."
The woman is intrigued and says "What is so special about it?" Bond explains "It shpeaks to me telepathically using alpha waves."
The woman says "Well what's it telling you now ?"
Bond says " It's telling me you're not wearing any panties."
The woman giggles and says "Well I think it must be broken because I AM wearing panties!"
Bond smirks, taps his watch again and exclaims "Bloody thing's an hour fasht....!!:
Good joke and it speaks to the sort of playful banter I hope isn't lost with the me too generation. Keep the playfulness and flirting. Lose the pushiness and dominance. It ruins the mood.
SubJeff on 3/11/2020 at 09:16
Quote Posted by june gloom
Nazis want me dead because I'm queer and disabled. They want my friends dead
I dunno man. There's
some truth to that, but I think it's rather they just don't like you. They don't like you for bigoted reasons but I do wonder how many of the alt-right/Nazis in the USA would actually take part in the murder of people on this basis. I think they'd like it if everyone else left, sure, but I'm not sure they'd really kill everyone who isn't them.
mopgoblin on 3/11/2020 at 09:46
Uh, you're talking about a country where there are mass shootings on, what, a daily basis? I mean, I had a quick look on Wikipedia and it looks like the average month has about four days where there isn't a mass shooting there, and that's excluding other forms of terrorism/mass murder. In a culture like that the prudent thing to do is to treat all threats as serious. Hell, over here that one dickhead killed 51 people in Christchurch last year, and if we had treated that far-right crap as the threat it is then we could well have stopped it.
SubJeff on 3/11/2020 at 10:50
Sure, but these guys aren't doing it, are they?
I saw a report on militias this morning and these nuts are just nuts with a thing for guns. I'm sure they'd shoot someone they didn't like it they thought they could get away with it, but they don't.
mopgoblin on 3/11/2020 at 11:05
Yeah, probably a lot of the mass shootings aren't from them, but definitely some are, and all threats from them should be treated as credible unless proven otherwise. Over here, the aforementioned Christchurch dickhead is the only mass shooter we've had in over 20 years, and he was way into that alt-right/white-supremacist/nazi stuff.
SubJeff on 3/11/2020 at 11:07
Yeah, there will always be one but those guys are seriously unhinged. I think they'll get hitched to any nutty cause that's accessible.
rachel on 3/11/2020 at 11:14
November is Transgender Awareness Month, might be a good time to read up on all the trans men and women, and genderqueer, that are attacked, and sometimes killed, just for existing.
I believe you when you say you don't live in a bubble, in that I believe that you believe so. But the truth is we all do. Even I, albeit fortunately a comparatively inclusive one. There's a reason we have a Transgender Day of Remembrance, SubJeff. And while being trans/enby is not easy anywhere, certain parts of the US can be particularly harsh. Especially lately with these Proud Boys groups and stuff, I'd be pretty scared myself, even though I look like a regular dude.
Stay safe June (and friends)
Nameless Voice on 3/11/2020 at 11:16
I notice everyone picked up on my use of "Nazi" in the list, but not on the other forms of bigotry.
Nazi is just a shorthand for a specific type of bigoted beliefs. The actual Nazis hated non-whites, communists, queer people, socialists, immigrants, foreigners, and Jews. They took those beliefs to their logical conclusion and tried (sadly with some success) to systematically murder those groups of people.
The alt-right share a lot of those beliefs, they just haven't quite got that far yet (though the ICE camps are extremely close to concentration camps already.)
We'll never get to a better place so long as people who claim to be reasonable and balanced continue to insist that these extremists are a valid political group with an equal right to exist than things like conservatives or socialists.
