Judith on 2/11/2020 at 19:48
I haven't watched any of the old Bonds for quite some time now, and I suspect they aged badly (if Friends' jokes did, then go figure). But I actually liked Connery because of his other movies: The Untouchables, The man who would be king, Robin & Marian (with Audrey Hepburn). Even the popcorn action flicks like The Rock or Entrapment were much better treats thanks to his performance.
june gloom on 2/11/2020 at 20:35
Getting called the worst person on the forum by a
literal Nazi is pretty darn funny. Maybe I'd be less depressed if all the Nazis and their alt-right fellows running around got the Wolfenstein treatment.
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You know in defense of June Gloom, I used to be one of his strongest detractors, back in the day. But then I actually got to know him and you know what, I like him and he is quite often on the money with some of his viewpoints. So dont believe everything you read on the internet or something
Thank you, Piggers. I'm really glad we've been able to bury the hatchet in the last couple years. Though in the future could you not call me "he?" I canceled my subscription to Man™ a while ago and threw my back issues in the trash. They/them is fine.
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My issue isn't that he's a male power fantasy, but that he's a straight white power fantasy and moreso that he's "too" much of this. Old Bond, I agree with you. You have to watch those find and roll your eyes a bit. But Dalton onwards war very different imho.
Batman and Superman are white and straight. Difference is they aren't portrayed as promiscuous.
And the banging chicks thing was used on purpose because that's what Connery and Moore were about. I'm using it satirically. I guess you need the quotation marks.
Anyone can look good in a suit. You don't need to be straight, white or even male.
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https://images.app.goo.gl/vxHN8Lmja5V4BAgA9)
It's interesting that I didn't say "white" but you're arguing like I did.
It's also interesting, and more than a little weird, that you keep trying to make a distinction between "classic" Bond and newer bond, when that's a distinction without a difference. It's the entire
concept of the character that I have an issue with. Doesn't mean I won't watch a Bond movie on occasion (I grew up on the Brosnan films and have seen most of the Bond movies, though Casino Royale is probably my favorite) but let's stop lying to ourselves about what Bond
is and who he is
for -- i.e. he's for guys like you, not people like me.
Also you missed the point, as always, about the suit thing.
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Addendum: Thought of another Connery role I liked -- a minor character in The Longest Day. He was still a monster personally and the world is a little better off, but he was funny in that movie. Both can be true.
SubJeff on 2/11/2020 at 20:49
You see, it's your mean spiritedness in this thread that gets me. Your hate is so much you can say things like "the world is better off" about an actor who had some serious character flaws. It's not like he was a mass murdering dictator or anything.
And your comment about the alt-right... I mean what kind of homicidal desires are these?
And fyi there isn't classic Bond and newer Bond to me, it's a spectrum that reflects the times. The IDEA is mired in exactly what you say, but I think it's evolved.
Renault on 2/11/2020 at 20:55
He's always been like that (and always will), it shouldn't even faze you anymore.
Nameless Voice on 2/11/2020 at 21:03
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You see, it's your mean spiritedness in this thread that gets me. Your hate is so much you can say things like "the world is better off" about an actor who had some serious character flaws. It's not like he was a mass murdering dictator or anything.
Yeah, the hate for Connery seems rather extreme to me, in proportion to his misdeeds.
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And your comment about the alt-right... I mean what kind of homicidal desires are these?
To be fair, alt-right people think that the likes of June Gloom (and many others) shouldn't be allowed to live - that's kind of the entire point of their ideology.
Honestly not sure what the proper response to them should be (though removing them from all reasonable and decent platforms would be a mandatory first step.)
Thor on 2/11/2020 at 21:10
Instead of a personal story about how Sean Connery's stuff has impacted my life for the better, I'll just say in Sean Connery accent:
"Rest in peace, old man."
P.S. When a woman is being an absolutely unreasonably cunt, giving her a little slap is indeed the way to handle it properly. Nowadays in the west, it wouldn't work too well as the power levels have been completely skewed in the woman's favor, but out of pure morality and understanding of the said behavior, you're still the winner.
SubJeff on 2/11/2020 at 21:20
What about when you're being a misogynist dick? What should you get?
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To be fair, alt-right people think that the likes of June Gloom (and many others) shouldn't be allowed to live - that's kind of the entire point of their ideology.
Honestly not sure what the proper response to them should be (though removing them from all reasonable and decent platforms would be a mandatory first step.)
I don't think that murder is the answer though, lol.
But then I think june wants to defund the police or some such nuttiness.
june gloom on 2/11/2020 at 21:21
So am I being more or less mean-spirited than people who openly espouse abusing women?
Thor on 2/11/2020 at 21:27
I know Sean Connery mostly through his work rather than his personal life, though from the few interview snippets I've heard I got a good impression, no misogyny. I don't think I've ever actually seen anyone like that. Some people just have misgivings about the opposite gender and for more than good reason (be it men-women or women-men).
For those that want to defund the police, I think they should just experience it. Just go into the woods, nobody's gonna police you there, enjoy. If you actually still want a society-looking low/no-police model resembling that, just go to a ghetto near you. How hard is it for Americans?
Edit: While the man wasn't perfect with a record of 1 divorce (though still holding a respectable 11 years even on that one), he still held his second marriage for 45 years, totaling to about exactly half his entire long-ass lifespan. Now you can call the woman a retard or gold digger or whatever for sticking with an alleged misogynist for that long, but isn't that kind of misogynistic? A decent person, man or woman, will admit to being a total cunt to a close friend after some incident and they will forgive them and they'll stay friends. I believe it works that way for a long-term marriage as well. What matters is internal mutual respect.
SubJeff on 2/11/2020 at 21:49
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So am I being more or less mean-spirited than people who openly espouse abusing women?
Oh yeah, abusing women is faaaaar worse than murdering people because of their political leanings. Of course of course.
Now, who else in history though of doing that I wond... ooooh, have we completed the circle, Stalin?
