WingedKagouti on 2/11/2020 at 16:24
Quote Posted by icemann
You can look at it with a present day lens, but the attitudes of now were not the same then.
It is important to remember that social norms were different even a single decade ago and people tend to be heavily influenced by the times they live through and they people they live with.
A lot of his actions and personal beliefs are deplorable when viewed with a current day lens, but they were far closer to the norm for his youth and young adulthood.
Kolya on 2/11/2020 at 16:35
Through the 60/70/80s the moralists were solely found on the right wing, while pop cultural creators were on the left and not moralistic (or even anti-moralistic). This indeed has changed a lot.
Partly for good reasons, like ousting rape culture. But partly it's also a cheap way to dethrone the older generation (those despicable "boomers") and take over the sovereignty of interpreting cultural life by introducing often narrow minded and puritanical viewpoints.
Starker on 2/11/2020 at 16:37
More than any changing social mores, I tend to view Bond through a pre-Archer and post-Archer lens. I don't know anything that deconstructs the genre and the character more thoroughly.
faetal on 2/11/2020 at 16:40
I'm not sure how acceptable these norms were to those who were the victims of it. They just had less of a voice back in those days.
The people who were comfortable with it were those who weren't negatively affected.
Kolya on 2/11/2020 at 16:51
It doesn't seem very helpful to divide the world into victims and perpetrators because more often than not they are one and the same.
SubJeff on 2/11/2020 at 17:06
I'm also not so sure about those perspectives. Even today people live in dreadfully misogynistic situations and cultures and feel that that's normal, where to many the idea is horrifying. Of course many wish to get out but I think many find it normal.
Take the hijab, for example. In Iran people suffer to protest their use, here in the UK I've met many professional women who wear the same proudly and demand the right to be able to do so.
Kolya on 2/11/2020 at 17:16
Yeah. So anyway, Sean Connery, professional old guy, beloved by anyone (except Russia and June Gloom) dies at old age. The world reminisces a moment and then moves on.
Renzatic on 2/11/2020 at 17:22
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I'm also not so sure about those perspectives. Even today people live in dreadfully misogynistic situations and cultures and feel that that's normal, where to many the idea is horrifying. Of course many wish to get out but I think many find it normal.
Take the hijab, for example. In Iran people suffer to protest their use, here in the UK I've met many professional women who wear the same proudly and demand the right to be able to do so.
I think that's due to one being enforced, while the other's a choice.
And hey, they both have it better than Saudi Arabia.
heywood on 2/11/2020 at 17:28
I always wondered why. The only Connery Bond film I remember liking is
You Only Live Twice.
But I'm an outlier. My favorite Bond is probably Timothy Dalton. I wish they had carried on with him instead of letting Pierce Brosnan try to copy Roger Moore. So much of Bond is corny shtick, and Moore was the best at delivering it. I also think
On Her Majesty's Secret Service is underrated.
SubJeff on 2/11/2020 at 17:40
I agree. Dalton is my fav actually, though I grew up in the Moore era.
OHMSS is definitely underrated and significant for a number of things. I quite like Lazenby too.
Brosnan war the worst Bond, though Goldeneye is one of the best films.
