Starker on 7/11/2020 at 03:59
Normie is not a stereotype, it's a pejorative word for any normal person who is able to function in society. And the video is about how these alt-right spaces radicalise (or redpill, if you use their lingo) the people who they think of as "normies". It's not about labeling people into normies and not normies. In other words, when he is making up Gabe, he's making up a person alt-right spaces might consider to be a "normie".
Pyrian on 7/11/2020 at 04:38
Quote Posted by Starker
...it's a pejorative word for any normal person who is able to function in society.
It sounds funny when you put it that way. :laff:
Starker on 7/11/2020 at 05:30
It makes sense in the context of 4chan culture. It's not like by "normie" they are necessarily calling someone a square or something like that (well, sometimes they are). It's kind of, but not entirely, the Western equivalent to
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june gloom on 7/11/2020 at 08:03
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I'm not going to discuss with you on that fringe lunacy level. You think that "normie" is not a harmful stereotype because 4chan uses it. What else is there to say?
EDIT: In my experience no one is normal. And judging people as "normies" denies their individuality and personal history which they have like everyone else.
It betrays a mind that separates people along the old lines of race sex and gender.
If you were serious about wanting to do away with these barriers, you would never use such a term. But gloom is a hypocrite and you're a follower.
My god, Kolya, simmer down. Go buy a Switch and play Animal Crossing or something.
SubJeff on 7/11/2020 at 08:17
I second that advice.
Kolya you're overreacting more than june gloom does and over almost less.
Kolya on 7/11/2020 at 10:45
Quote Posted by Starker
In other words, when he is making up Gabe, he's making up a person alt-right spaces might consider to be a "normie".
I really don't think he's taking an alt-right perspective there or using it in air-quotes or whatever. "Gabe is for all intents and purposes a normie" is played completely straight. There's no hint of devil's advocacy, irony or anything.
And thanks for worrying about me, but I'm neither upset nor do I feel personally offended by some shitty advice video on the internet. It just seemed obviously hypocritical to categorize people as "normies" while constantly railing against norms like gloomy does.
And it wasn't just this one term, but the stereotype build up at the start of the video. "Gabe" is not even a person. He has no history, no motivation. He's merely how people who believe themselves in a battle against the forces of evil, would see anyone who doesn't get in line behind their cause.
I'm not surprised that my politics seem incoherent to you, gloom. I have a moral compass, where you only have an ideology. And that compass is telling me that you won't win against stereotypes and the norms of society by making up other stereotypes and norms that suit yourself.
Starker on 7/11/2020 at 12:27
Dude, the whole video is about "how to radicalise a normie" -- from the alt-right perspective. Normie is 4chan speak for regular people, which he is referencing in his video about places like 4chan. He is not categorising anyone, he is talking about how alt-right spaces radicalize people who haven't yet been redpilled -- i.e. normies in their parlance. And of course Gabe is not a person. He is just a hypothetical example, for the sake of the argument, of one such normie to be redpilled. And the opening is very clearly snarky and tongue in cheek in tone, which you completely seem to miss somehow. Honestly, I can't even begin to understand where you are getting all this "OMG a stereotype, how dare he!" from.
As for harmful stereotypes -- if someone were to say that you are a normie because you might have a girlfriend, are able to make friends, or don't believe that Jews control everything, how exactly will that hurt you? Will it lower your self-esteem somehow or make you depressed or something? It's part of 4chan's sick self-deprecating humour about who they consider to be outsiders, usually paired with references to their own perceived "autism" and status as social outcasts, etc.
Gryzemuis on 7/11/2020 at 14:05
In defense of Kolya. I watched that video (when the link was posted). After 1 minute, I thought: "who is this guy, what does he want to say, what does he want to achieve?". I decided I was not interested, and closed the video. Simple. There was something really unpleasant in that first minute. Just like in the street, or in a bar, when someone comes up and starts to talk to me, I give them between 10 and 60 seconds. And if I'm not interested, or slightly annoyed, then "bye, bye". A 41-minute video that starts by irritating me ? Bye, bye.
I'm not native in English. So maybe it is that. But I also don't like being called a normie (I had never heard that word before). Just like I dislike being called a "techie" or a "nerd". I don't use those kinds of words myself. Not even in my head. I don't see people's first quality as someone who belongs to a certain group. I don't like to be put in a group myself, so I (try to) not do that to others.
SubJeff on 7/11/2020 at 14:19
Nah, I didn't like tone of it either. I didn't watch it all the way through because it was irritating. I get the point but I don't know how much if it is armchair musing and how much is evidenced.
But getting put out by the term normie is next level snowflakery.
Nameless Voice on 7/11/2020 at 14:23
I feel like you're all comically missing the point there (and the usual two just arguing with each other for the sake of it.)
Starker's right - he's specifically using that term because the video is about how the alt-right radicalise people that they consider "normies" in their parlance. It's called "How to radicalise a normie", not "How the alt-right can radicalise your otherwise apolitical friends", because the title is from the perspective of the people doing the radicalisation.
Regardless, it seems really bizarre that this is the outcome you take from a very interesting (and clearly well-researched) series about how the alt-right operates.
While I feel that the radicalisation one is something that every moderator should watch, the rest of the series is also good. I found the episode on the origins of modern conservatism especially interesting.