Gryzemuis on 12/6/2020 at 17:40

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I'm not sure what you mean here. If people slowly change their minds and opinions on certain issues (racism, transgenders, etc), and while that change occurs, they start to use different words, that's the way it works. I think. But changing the words first ("women" -> "people who menstruate"), and then hoping people's opinion will then automatically change too, I don't think that'll work. That's pure 1984 Newspeak.


Just to be clear, I don't oppose to banning words like the n-word or w-word. I understand that racial slurs have a real impact.

But I'm a bit less anal about removing such words completely from anything and everything. E.g. the use of the w-word in the Strangler's song I linked to early has a reason. It's there to make the lyrics of the song (which is anti-racist) more powerful. I'm not sure removing the song from YouTube, or removing it from the universe will help remove racism. Maybe even the opposite.

In Django Unchained the n-word is used a lot. Because in the time of that movie, the word was used a lot. Hearing that word bites, which imho helps getting the message of the movie across. Is Django Unchained a racist movie ? Does the use of the n-word there promote racism ? Should Django Unchained be removed from society ? Or maybe all the uses of the n-word should be bleeped out ?

And this is what I mean by "no nuances". Just by asking these questions, I'm sure there will be people who think I'm an arsehole and a racist. Just because I think actions, laws, money, poverty, education, etc matters more than words, Faetal, you just labeled me a racist. Regardless whether we have the same goal (no more racism, no more sexism, etc), just because we disagree about the path to get there, I am now labeled a racist.

Renzatic on 12/6/2020 at 18:01

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It's fortunate I'm too distracted at the moment to mete out some stern lecturing and condescension, so I'll keep things brief.

KEEP THINGS FUCKING CIVIL, OR I SWEAR AFORE GOD ALMIGHTY ABOVE THAT I WILL LIBERALLY APPLY THE FERULE TO ALL THOSE I DEEM DESERVING!

Renzatic on 12/6/2020 at 18:09

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Listen, here's what I can say about this conversation here.

We're all oldschool members contributing to this thread. We've been around here for a decade or more. By the merits of the conversation, I can say that everyone here means well, even though some might be tonedeaf, and others might be a little lost up their own asses. I won't name names just yet, but you can all rest assured that, one very suspicious and rather obvious exception aside, there isn't a single post here that's purposefully bigoted, or outright racist trying to dogwhistle their way through a conversation by "just asking questions".

You all aren't arguing with strangers on Reddit or where the fuck ever. Don't act like you are. Keep things civil.

Sulphur on 12/6/2020 at 18:23

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Whether you intended it as derogatory or not is entirely incidental. We don't care; it's the topic now. The history of the word's laid out for you in detail in this very thread, but you don't want to engage with that, so I don't really need to care about going over it again.

Sulphur on 12/6/2020 at 18:40

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I think you're going to find yourself more than a little disappointed about that. But go on and hide behind that 'not tolerating my intolerance is intolerance' argument, like it worked so well for, oh shucks, that's right - the nazis. :eek:

Anyway, I'm done with this little stage play, ice. I see you've gone and edited out the 'I never said I wasn't racist' line from your blowout post. That ought to be reinstated so everyone gets, you know, a clearer view.