SubJeff on 11/11/2009 at 23:22
No.
Its not murder, its execution for the crime of murder. You can call it what you want but its not murder. Killing, yes, murder no.
Scots Taffer on 11/11/2009 at 23:25
War is government sanctioned and funded murder, how's that for a hand grenade?
Honestly, am I the only person watching people argue in circles?
DDL on 11/11/2009 at 23:35
I'd call it murder (and in fact, I do!), hence my objections to it. (edit: to SE)
Any situation where a bunch of people sit there and actively cause the death of a helpless person who does not wish to die...fuck, what would you call that?
It's a fundamentally "eye for an eye" punishment. There are far more humane, non murderous alternatives (like life in prison), so essentially you're killing someone entirely because they killed someone. And in many cases, you're sitting and planning vastly in advance the killing of someone that didn't sit and plan in advance the killing you're executing them for.
Just because this sort of barbaric punishment goes back a long way historically, it seems more acceptable than it should. Imagine if the punishment for breaking someone's leg in a drink driving accident was to have a state-endorsed stuntman smash your leg by highspeed car collision? If getting in a fight with someone that left them blind in one eye meant that they (or a court appointed tough dude) got to punch you in the face until you too lost an eye?
It's just...a stupid, misguided, idiotic and wrong way to do things.
Scots: yes, and war is fundamentally fucking stupid, but it's an entirely different kettle of fish.
Thief13x on 11/11/2009 at 23:40
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
It's a necessary part of the culture, and by signing up for the military, you consent to be held to these higher standards. You can't move to Sparta and bitch that it's too harsh.
Fine and by choosing to live in a state with capital punishment you also consent to the fact that you will held to a higher standard and will be executed for pre-meditated 1st degree murder. That does not however, make it right.
So I guess that indeed, you can't move to Sparta and bitch that it's too harsh.
Enjoy your green... I'll catch ya after the Flintstones
SubJeff on 11/11/2009 at 23:59
Quote Posted by DDL
I'd call it murder (and in fact, I do!), hence my objections to it.
You can call it what you want, its no more murder than it is auto theft. Buy a plant pot. I mean dictionary but fyi I call it a plant pot :rolleyes:
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Any situation where a bunch of people sit there and actively cause the death of a helpless person who does not wish to die...fuck, what would you call that?
Depends on the situation. I can envision at least 3 scenarios which are completely different and yet which all involve exactly what you've stated.
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And in many cases, you're sitting and
planning vastly in advance the killing of someone that
didn't sit and plan in advance the killing you're executing them for.
The time frame has nothing to do with it. And how do you know this murderer didn't plan everything, and for longer than the state has planned to execute him/her? What difference does it make anyway? If I plan to kill someone over the course of a year or decide I'll do it in 20mins are they any less dead and am I any less a murderer?
Get it together man.
Thief13x on 12/11/2009 at 00:02
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
You can call it what you want, its no more murder than it is auto theft. Buy a plant pot. I mean dictionary but fyi I call it a plant pot :rolleyes:
Enjoy yours too:mad:
SubJeff on 12/11/2009 at 00:14
Quote Posted by Queue
What? You mean a life sentence of free health care, three square meals, and cable TV? Sounds like a living hell for those who have no other options in life.
And after 10 years inside this just become life. These guys settle in, get used to it and sure they'd like to be out but you can bet they develop some sense of normality, something their victims and victims families will likely never have again.
Thief13x on 12/11/2009 at 00:33
nah, I still think it's a living hell. Queue persuaded me
Chade on 12/11/2009 at 00:39
Quote Posted by Queue
What? You mean a life sentence of free health care, three square meals, and cable TV? Sounds like a living hell for those who have no other options in life.
Heh, I remember speaking to a police lawyer on the train one day, and she told me that they locked up noticeably more prisoners during winter then summer, something she put down to people "wanting somewhere warm to stay".
Kolya on 12/11/2009 at 00:43
The US have lots of money to spend on shitty ideas every time a president needs to get all tough guy starting a war on a minor country. And people buy that. But when it comes to choosing between a few criminals' life and death the same people get riled up about the tax payer's money.
