deadman on 7/1/2004 at 23:59
I just installed my Ebay-purchased ATi 9700, got the program (Rage3D Tweak), but fog won't work in-game after unchecking W-Fog, and checking Z and Table Fog. Am I doing something wrong? Maybe I need different Catalyst drivers? :confused: .. Argh, Life of the Party looks like "Day of the Party" (it's amazing how high the ambient level looks without fog). Help help?
deadman.
cutty452 on 8/1/2004 at 02:47
ATI Radeon Series of cards has a long history of not working with specific games. Go to (
WWW.GAMERS.ORG) and look at all the game patches that come SPECIFICALLY targeting/resolving gameing issues for ATI Radeon based cards. I know a taffer who got a Radeon ATI 9800 256 megs card and the game Jedi Knight II Jedi Academy WILL NOT WORK. The game freezes and just "LOCKS UP" on her. I persuaded her to go to "WWW.Pricewatch.Com" and she purchased a MSI-5200 Nvidia based card 128 megs for about $85. She installed the 52169x drivers and the game fires up really nice. All the problems about fog and even sometimes rain and lighting on some the Theif related FM (lockups and crashes would result on her Radeon 9800 256) ALL DISAPPEARED. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Now she is TAFFING away at all her Theif Games without any of the symptoms described above.
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Let's See Who Is On The Other End of This Little Conspriacy
deadman on 8/1/2004 at 03:59
The only problem with nVidia is they'll be left in the dust by ATi if they don't do something to change their current course, cutty. At least, this is the conclusion the guy who did the comparisons came to. That's why I purchased an ATi instead of nVidia. From what I read, he is right.
I'm not a 'loyalist' at all (to ATi or another party), only playing devil's advocate :sly:.
deadman.
Muzman on 8/1/2004 at 04:19
Life of the Party isn't meant to be played with fog on anyway
Northon on 8/1/2004 at 16:46
Deadman:
Try the trick involving first enabling all fog options. Then resetting. Then running the game. Then quitting and disabling W-Fog. Then going back in. That worked for a friend of mine.
deadman on 8/1/2004 at 17:12
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Originally posted by Muzman Life of the Party isn't meant to be played with fog on anyway
Yeah it is, actually. Try turning it off. Even if you don't notice any/much when you're regularly playing it, after you turn it off (at least when I have in the past -- back when I had a different video card), the ambient looked much too high.. Didn't have that dark thiefy feeling at all.. More like dusk or something. Also, if the devs hadn't intended it to be played with fog, why did they incorporate it into the mission? We all know as DromEd'ers ourselves that this isn't just automatically in every mission we make :cheeky:.
I'll try that, Northon.. Thanks.
deadman.
deadman on 9/1/2004 at 01:02
Does anyone know a 'better' fix, or a method to tweak the fog (without opening in DromEd, obviously :rolleyes:)? As it is now, with my ATi 9700, turning fog on only serves one noticeable purpose: to cover the sky, which makes it look even more like dusk or similar than without it. This sucks :joke: :nono:
I was going to load up Calendra's Legacy to see how faster it would run, too, but it will suck without fogging :( I get a new card and it can't display fog like my old one. We can never win, can we?
deadman.
Northon on 9/1/2004 at 02:06
The fogging of the sky looks a little odd in Life of the Party, but I think that's the way it always is. It looks perfectly normal in other levels and fms like Precious Cargo and Equilibrium.
Muzman on 9/1/2004 at 03:07
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Originally posted by deadman Yeah it is, actually. Try turning it off. Even if you don't notice any/much when you're regularly playing it, after you turn it off (at least when I have in the past -- back when I had a different video card), the ambient looked much too high.. Didn't have that dark thiefy feeling at all.. More like dusk or something. Also, if the devs hadn't intended it to be played with fog, why did they incorporate it into the mission? We all know as DromEd'ers ourselves that this isn't just automatically in every mission we make.
No it isn't actually. Your experience is quite the reverse of mine. With fog on the whole thing looks like it could be any time of the day (well the part at the beginning before the fog breaks) yet with inexplicable darkness registering on the light gem when I certainly appear to be fully lit. With it off it looks like night again and all makes perfect sense.
Anyway. Emil Pagliarulo, the LGS designer who made the mission, has said fog doesn't work in that mission and you ought to leave it off (switch it back on aftwerwards). Thus what I'm saying is generally considered gospel.
He goes on about it a little here
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41604)
deadman on 9/1/2004 at 03:27
If that is the case, Muzman (that Emil said to leave it off), the case may be different, but otherwise, the devs wouldn't go through the fuss of setting it up if they hadn't intended for it to be there. That's like saying they hadn't intended the sky to be implemented in any level when it's fine-tuned for every :rolleyes:.
Seemed like a bit of ego, to me. Especially when I was merely trying to get fogging to work at all with my new ATi video card, not looking for or needing some snotty-sounding comment about what was or wasn't intended. It would've helped if you mentioned Emil in the first thread :cheeky:. But again, I don't really care at this point; I'm merely looking to get this working if at all possible.. Comments on which missions look better with or without fog would be an after-thought, and probably better off in another thread.
deadman.
P.S. Actually, regardless that Emil said this or that, it was shipped with fog; they should have taken it out if they couldn't set it up properly. I readily assent that I am not well-versed in implementing fog in DromEd, and perhaps they didn't have time, but it's just another 'sloppy' mistake, perhaps.
P.P.S. You might be right about it looking worse with fog on. The last time I played that mission with my old video card was a while ago, so I can't recall, but I did remember it looked better one way. I vaguely recall it looking brighter with fog on.. Or maybe I have it wrong and the opposite was true.. :laff:
