Starker on 3/1/2023 at 18:44
I mean, the Ukrainians are not complaining.
lowenz on 3/1/2023 at 21:54
2009 prophetic article:
(
https://jamestown.org/program/putin-pays-homage-to-ilyin/)
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Shevkunov is a leader of the most conservative, nationalist and monarchist wing within the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), close to the new Patriarch Cyril. He has also been known for his close links to Putin. In fact, Putin had chosen him to prepare the reunification of the ROC and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) which took place in May 2007, with the ROCOR becoming part of the ROC. Shevkunov has neither confirmed nor denied persistent rumors that he is Putin's confessor, but he has emphasized his allegiance to him. In 2001 Shevkunov said: "Vladimir Putin is indeed an Orthodox Christian believer...who confesses, takes Communion and realizes his responsibility to God for the high service entrusted him, and for his immortal soul...He who really loves Russia and wishes it well, can only pray for Vladimir, placed at the head of Russia by God's will" (Izvestia, December 8, 2001). It was through Shevkunov that Putin publicly disclosed his visit to the cemetery.
According to Shevkunov, Putin cited Denikin's suggestion that "No-one must be allowed to interfere in relations between us, ‘big Russia,' and ‘little Russia' -that is Ukraine. This was always a purely Russian affair." Putin added that Denikin viewed any movement toward disunity between Russia and Ukraine as "impermissible." Shevkunov also told the journalists that Putin "recalled reading Denikin's memoirs in which the latter said that despite his hostility to Soviet power, even to think about the dismemberment of Russia was a crime ...especially when talking about the little Russian land - Ukraine" ((www.grani.ru), May 25).
Indeed, an impeccably honest individual, patriot and talented writer, General Denikin emerged as the leader of the White government in southern Russia, which in 1919 almost toppled the Bolshevik regime. Only 130 miles lay between his advancing troops and Moscow.
However, the Denikin movement collapsed owing to his intransigence toward the aspirations of non-Russian nationals within the empire. His insistence on seeing them all as subjects of the "one and indivisible Russia" alienated Poles, Ukrainians, Georgians, Finns, and many others from the idea of a broad-based anti-Bolshevik united front, which was the only hope of putting down Lenin's revolutionaries. Now, in the current political context, Putin's invoking Denikin's political dictums might suggest that there is trouble ahead.
Putin has always been contemptuous of Ukrainian statehood. In April 2008, Putin was quoted by the Moscow-based Kommersant as telling President George W. Bush: "Ukraine is not a state. What is Ukraine? Part of its territory is in eastern Europe, and another part - a significant part - was given to it by Russia." Putin clearly let Bush understand that NATO membership for Ukraine, might risk Russia taking over the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (Kommersant, April 7, 2007).
In August 2008 Putin was closely involved in successfully taking over the breakaway Georgian provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia - and getting away with it - and with the worsening of the Russian economic crisis he might not wait for Ukraine's NATO membership as an excuse. Sources in Ukraine and one senior Western diplomat in Moscow confirmed to Jamestown that Russia continues to issue passports to citizens in the Crimea. Russia had used the same pattern in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, until the number of Russian citizens reached 95 percent -and Moscow "had" to protect its citizens.
Another method of handling Ukraine is by using Russia's "pipeline troops." On May 29, Putin warned that Russia might again turn off gas supplies to Ukraine, based on its failure to pay ((www.news.ru.com), May 29). Moscow has insisted for some time that one way out of this deadlock for Ukraine is to turn over its natural gas transportation system to Russia -along with its political independence.
The homage paid by Putin to Ilyin's grave on his visit to the Sretensk Monastery cemetery makes his actions and intentions appear particularly ominous. Ilyin has long been Putin's spiritual guru, to the extent that he cited him in his presidential addresses in 2005 and 2006, and in his speech to the council of state in June 2007.
Meanwhile, Ilyin advocated strong authoritarianism, founded on the link with the ROC, as the only acceptable form of government for Russia. In his work "National Socialism: New Spirit" in 1933 Ilyin condoned Hitler as a defender of Europe from Bolshevism. In 1948 in his essay "On Fascism" Ilyin wrote that "Fascism emerged as a concentration of statist-conservative forces...It was a healthy phenomenon during the advance of leftist chaos." Ilyin, however, decried fascism's "mistakes," such as the suppression of all rival forces and the Church -he suggested that religion, the media and political parties might be tolerated "to the degree of their loyalty."
Putin's ideology can be traced to his state's origins both within the Romanov empire, the White cause's patriots and Stalin's Soviet empire. His growing authoritarianism combined with his cemetery visit, coordinated with the ROC, sends another signal of his intention to defend the Russian state and its interests in the near abroad."
And these guys are fighting "ukro
nazis"......
About Denikin....
John Ernest Hodgson, a British war correspondent with Denikin's forces, said the following of Denikin's and his officers' antisemitism:
I had not been with Denikin more than a month before I was forced to the conclusion that the Jew represented a very big element in the Russian upheaval. The officers and men of the Army laid practically all the blame for their country's troubles on the Hebrew. They held that the whole cataclysm had been engineered by some great and mysterious secret society of international Jews, who, in the pay and at the orders of Germany, had seized the psychological moment and snatched the reins of government. All the figures and facts that were then available appeared to lend colour to this contention. No less than 82 per cent of the Bolshevik Commissars were known to be Jews, the fierce and implacable 'Trotsky,' who shared office with Lenin, being a Yiddisher whose real name was Bronstein. Among Denikin's officers this idea was an obsession of such terrible bitterness and insistency as to lead them into making statements of the wildest and most fantastic character. Many of them had persuaded themselves that Freemasonry was, in alliance with the Jews, part and parcel of the Bolshevik machine, and that what they had called the diabolical schemes for Russia's downfall had been hatched in the Petrograd and Moscow Masonic lodges. When I told them that I and most of my best friends were Freemasons, and that England owed a great deal to its loyal Jews, they stared at me askance and sadly shook their heads in fear for England's credulity in trusting the chosen race. One even asked me quietly whether I personally was a Jew. When America showed herself decidedly against any kind of interference in Russia, the idea soon gained wide credence that President Woodrow Wilson was a Jew, while Mr. Lloyd George was referred to as a Jew whenever a cable from England appeared to show him as being lukewarm in support of the anti-Bolsheviks.[14]To put it simply, fascists are just self-glorified mad men, like russian irredentists manipulating every country far-fight leaning and/or easy-exalted people and driving them into antiwestern frenzy.
Daljord on 4/1/2023 at 10:18
When Ukrain take Krimea in the summer then Putler is gone and the war ends i think!!
lowenz on 4/1/2023 at 11:16
War will never ends until Putin is alive or Ukraine totally destroyed (radioactive desert, as Girkin put it)
Putin or Putin-minded russian nationalists in power will NEVER renounce to Novorossija, that's "eternal" (=no time), standing the "russian spiritualism".
The only cure for this imperialistic obsession and ambition was Lenin and it's why neo-nobility elites hate him so much.
Tomi on 4/1/2023 at 13:29
Quote Posted by lowenz
War will never ends until Putin is alive
You mean he's dead
now? :o That would actually explain so many things...
lowenz on 4/1/2023 at 14:32
LOL, pardon! When he'll be dead AND the successor will not share the same spiritual-driven irredentism
heywood on 4/1/2023 at 14:37
I don't know what you mean about Lenin. He only ceded territory to stop the central powers from taking even more of it. He was busy fighting the White Army and couldn't maintain the eastern front. As soon as WWI ended, he launched an invasion to get it back. When that reached a stalemate, he formed the USSR.
lowenz on 4/1/2023 at 15:25
Quote Posted by heywood
I don't know what you mean about Lenin. He only ceded territory to stop the central powers from taking even more of it.
He ceded territory to solve the nationalists problem in a diplomatic way, as Krushev.
'cause he was a normal man and not a mad man believing in "destiny" of "Motherussia" (and no, it's not about "USSR better than Russia", 'cause other communists had the same obsessions we see today in Putin -> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Rutskoy) )
heywood on 4/1/2023 at 16:28
Lenin acquiesced to the Treaty of Brest-Livotsk because Russia was being overwhelmed by German advances after the October revolution and Lenin needed to stop the bleeding. The Germans' terms were hard. Russia lost about 1/3 of its population and most of its industrial capacity. It was a surrender. A few months after the armistice, Lenin launched an invasion to take back lands he had just ceded the year before and went right to fighting the nationalists.
In his writings around that time, he spoke of his ambition to turn WWI into a wider revolutionary war, and predicted the Red Army would have to lead the war into Western Europe to destroy capitalism. He ordered the Red Terror, and created the secret police. He wasn't as brutal as Stalin, but he makes Putin look tame.
lowenz on 4/1/2023 at 17:47
I'm talking about politics vs Ucraine OR Jews (they're connected problems as I try to show citing Denikin or Ilyin, 'cause of perception of russians about "non russians")
"industrial capacity" of Russia during Lenin time is just like the one of Spain or Portugal :D
In his writings around that time, he spoke of his ambition to turn WWI into a wider revolutionary war, and predicted the Red Army would have to lead the war into Western Europe to destroy capitalism. Of course, it's leninism by the book, but where the "spiritual zeal" about "ultimate destiny"
GOD set for
Rossiya? No madness there, just risky applied marxism.
Putin thinks of himself as a
GOD tool.
and created the secret police.The CECA was an answer to the OCHRANA: (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhrana)
About the "terror" he has been already shot by Kaplan: (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Kaplan)
