Starker on 29/11/2022 at 03:43
Russian state TV is at it again, philosophising about peace and war and the nature of empires...
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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1597089807171485696)
Key points (my comments in parenthesis):
* Ukraine and even the memory of Ukraine must be destroyed (an example of genocidal rhetoric that's all too common on Russian TV)
* it is possible to negotiate with Hungarians, Poles, Americans, Mexicans, and even penguins, but it's not possible to negotiate with Ukrainians (personally, I've never tried to negotiate with a penguin, but I would think that trying to hold a penguin up to their end of the bargain would be about as futile as expecting Russia to not break any treaties they signed when they are in a position of power... or think that they are)
* it would be better for everyone, if Ukrainians didn't exist -- for Europeans, Poles, and even the Ukrainians themselves (no person, no problem, as they say in Russia)
* Polish people have some issues with Russia, but they have absolutely no compassion for Ukrainians (which is why they have accepted so many refugees?)
* Russia has had 30 years of peace (of the quality of this peace, maybe people of Grozny and Aleppo can tell you about)
* this peace has very much been an anomaly and Russia is merely reverting to its customary state (that's actually something people critical of Russia have been saying)
* Russia was, is, and can only be an empire (again, that's what some of the more pessimistic critics of Russia have been saying... it's a little weird to hear a Russian making the points that the critics have been called russophobes for)
* it is natural for empires to pacify / bring into submission the barbarians at its borders (indeed, as many people have been pointing out, what Russia has been doing is little more than naked imperial aggression... I wonder if it can still be called russophobia if Russians are making these arguments themselves)
* right now the barbarians are to the west of Russia (as one of these barbarians, I feel obligated to point out that, unlike many places in Russia, these barbarians at least have indoor plumbing)
* Russia is like Rome (except without good roads or, indeed, indoor plumbing)
* war is the natural course of history and the idea that countries could be at peace with each other is an illusion, a lie (if it's only natural for Russia to attack it's neighbours, though, then it's equally natural to resist the attack and for other countries to send aid to these neighbours, because these things are also well attested in history)
* hence, it would be better for Russian people to reconfigure their brains for "war mode" (after decades of cultivated apathy, I don't believe it's quite as easy as he seems to think it is)
lowenz on 29/11/2022 at 09:13
Quote Posted by Starker
Russian state TV is at it again, philosophising about peace and war and the nature of empires...
(
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1597089807171485696)
Key points (my comments in parenthesis):
* Ukraine and even the memory of Ukraine must be destroyed (an example of genocidal rhetoric that's all too common on Russian TV)
* it is possible to negotiate with Hungarians, Poles, Americans, Mexicans, and even penguins, but it's not possible to negotiate with Ukrainians (personally, I've never tried to negotiate with a penguin, but I would think that trying to hold a penguin up to their end of the bargain would be about as futile as expecting Russia to not break any treaties they signed when they are in a position of power... or think that they are)
* it would be better for everyone, if Ukrainians didn't exist -- for Europeans, Poles, and even the Ukrainians themselves (no person, no problem, as they say in Russia)
* Polish people have some issues with Russia, but they have absolutely no compassion for Ukrainians (which is why they have accepted so many refugees?)
* Russia has had 30 years of peace (of the quality of this peace, maybe people of Grozny and Aleppo can tell you about)
* this peace has very much been an anomaly and Russia is merely reverting to its customary state (that's actually something people critical of Russia have been saying)
* Russia was, is, and can only be an empire (again, that's what some of the more pessimistic critics of Russia have been saying... it's a little weird to hear a Russian making the points that the critics have been called russophobes for)
* it is natural for empires to pacify / bring into submission the barbarians at its borders (indeed, as many people have been pointing out, what Russia has been doing is little more than naked imperial aggression... I wonder if it can still be called russophobia if Russians are making these arguments themselves)
* right now the barbarians are to the west of Russia (as one of these barbarians, I feel obligated to point out that, unlike many places in Russia, these barbarians at least have indoor plumbing)
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Russia is like Rome (except without good roads or, indeed, indoor plumbing)
* war is the natural course of history and the idea that countries could be at peace with each other is an illusion, a lie (if it's only natural for Russia to attack it's neighbours, though, then it's equally natural to resist the attack and for other countries to send aid to these neighbours, because these things are also well attested in history)
* hence, it would be better for Russian people to reconfigure their brains for "war mode" (after decades of cultivated apathy, I don't believe it's quite as easy as he seems to think it is)
What I have been telling you since Febraury? They've really married the Dugin ideology way beyond Ilyin fascination for italian fascism. It's really crystal clear for us in Italy not blinded by Bannon isolationist propaganda and Putin's minions "Russia is against american imperialism" propaganda
Cipheron on 29/11/2022 at 19:53
Quote Posted by lowenz
What I have been telling you since Febraury? They've really married the Dugin ideology way beyond Ilyin fascination for italian fascism. It's really crystal clear for us in Italy not blinded by Bannon isolationist propaganda and Putin's minions "Russia is against american imperialism" propaganda
Yeah, that's been clear for a while. Dugin's big plan centered on Ukraine as a must-have. It also hints at Brexit and destabilizing USA's politics being part of the plan:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)
The bit about turning China into a puppet state and taking over Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria etc as a buffer and offering China control of the Philippines and Australia as compensation seems a bit fanciful however.
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As for Ukraine context they're claiming: the Ukrainian language pre-existed the Muscovite Russian takeover of the Ukraine region and they actually banned the language in 1804. It's surprisingly hard to ban a language that doesn't exist (/s). So they've been attempting to do cultural genocide for over 200 years now on Ukrainian identity.
however, the Ukrainian language survived in part because the western portion of Ukraine was not something that the Russian Empire ever controlled. That was variously controlled by other regional powers stretching from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth through the Austro-Hungarian Empire to pre-WWII Poland, and was only actually occupied by Soviet forces as recent as 1939 due to the infamous deal the Soviets did with Nazi Germany.
So it's 100% bullshit. There are still Ukrainians who have living memory of the time before Moscow EVER ruled their land.
Cipheron on 30/11/2022 at 23:19
Someone brought this one to my attention. Another suicide. A Russian Colonel killed himself, with 5 bullets:
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https://www.newsweek.com/vadim-boyko-russian-officer-bullets-suicide-mobilization-putin-1760296)
Quote:
Vadim Boyko, deputy director of the Vladivostok Pacific Naval College, was reportedly found dead on Wednesday morning after five gunshots were heard inside his office.
Local media outlets including newspaper Dalnevostochnye Vedomosti reported that his death was classed as suicide. Local journalist Vladimir Oshchenko, the editor of the Public Television of Primorye, also reported Boyko's death as suicide.
Dalnevostochnye Vedomosti claimed that Boyko "shot himself in the temple."
Oshchenko cited the press service of the navy college and other sources as saying that the colonel's death was suicide.
Meanwhile, the Baza Telegram channel reported that five gunshots were heard from Boyko's office. The channel cites unnamed colleagues as saying that he was found with multiple gunshot wounds to the chest.
An officer who was allegedly on duty at the time of the shooting heard gunshots, ran toward Boyko's office, and found the officer's body, as well as five shell casings and four Makarov pistols.
Same deal as usual, different outlets can't get their stories straight, the details don't make sense, and the refusal to even ask basic question about it. I think the details often don't match because outlets are self-censoring, on the assumption that if you ask questions about any unexpected death, you may get an FSB visit and fall out a window yourself.
lowenz on 1/12/2022 at 07:53
Quote Posted by Cipheron
A Russian Colonel killed himself, with 5 bullets
Rugged, they don't make them so resistent anymore (.....), damn USA planned obsolescence.
lowenz on 3/12/2022 at 10:29
Link typo
Karras35 on 3/12/2022 at 12:49
Quote Posted by Soul Tear
These guys will never run out of ammo, but the fuel for vehicles that the Evil Putin gives them will last for a few of days.
This is all that your media feeds you. All that a European philistine can count on is spaghetti on his ears.
Russia, not Putin, will never allow Ukraine to join NATO. I am a part of Russia, and I will not allow it either.
Ukraine has no right to be in NATO. You've been completely brainwashed. No one has the right to be in NATO after the 1997 treaty. An agreement on non-expansion of NATO was signed. You had to keep your end of the bargain. But you deceived Russia. And Putin was not there then.
And who is the aggressor? This is a fee.
As soon as Zelensky mentioned the need for a nuclear bomb, Russia immediately attacked. We will not allow a nuclear bomb near Moscow. Don't be an idiot!
Rockets from Kharkov will reach Moscow in less than 3 minutes. Therefore, NATO will not be in Ukraine. Never.
I'll tell you more, to date Ukraine has lost 1/4 of its territory, where the Russian population lives.
You don't know the truth. You have honest military experts, historians and journalists, but they are silenced and threatened with criminal prosecution. All Putin's speeches are shown to you shortened, cut out of context.
The Russian part of the population of Ukraine does not want to be part of Nazi Ukraine. Ukrainians have always hated Russians. Russian language has been banned for the Russian part of the Ukraine population. This is an enthic conflict. And if the Minsk agreements had been implemented, it would have been solved, but when Ukraine started insisting on NATO and a nuclear bomb, we were forced to intervene. We will not allow either one or the other.
Your leaders want to impress upon you that Putin is a Demon and the Russians are savages, with only one goal - that any actions of your governments are justified.
Just calm down and let us resolve our conflict. We'll do it anyway. You can hate us, impose sanctions against our cats, but do not interfere. This is our war. We didn't finish off the Nazis in 1945, but we will do it now.
As for Zelensky, he is 3% Jewish, and he does not decide anything. The Nazis from various formations are the ones who are now in control of the situation. They do not obey orders, and kill Ukrainian officers who want to retreat.
Even if Zelensky agrees to fulfill all Putin's demands, the Nazis will not lay down their arms - because they know that there will be no captivity, they will be physically destroyed.
President Zelensky is not on the Russian list of war criminals of Ukraine, precisely because he does not decide anything.
As for NATO - it was created not to protect poor Europeans, but to destroy Russia, in order to seize resources that you have almost no left. Gas, right?
When Russia disappears on global map (in the inflamed mind of your Nazi governors) you will be able to control the whole world "By bringing democracy here and there. That's what you guys do all the time, isn't it?
Totally agree with you!
Tomi on 3/12/2022 at 15:22
I thought that alt accounts are against rules in here?