Starker on 14/10/2022 at 19:19
"We don't want to go to war today..."
Quote:
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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-13)
Public reports of the first deaths of ill-prepared mobilized Russian troops in Ukraine have sparked renewed criticism of the Russian military command. Russian media reported that five mobilized men from Chelyabinsk have already died in combat in Ukraine just three weeks after President Vladimir Putin’s declaration of partial mobilization on September 21.[1] The report led many pro-war milbloggers to claim that the number of dead and wounded among mobilized servicemen is likely higher than this due to lack of promised training, equipment, unit cohesion, and commanders, as well as repeated instances of wrongful mobilization.
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The Kremlin continues to struggle to message itself out of the reality of mobilization and military failures. The Kremlin continued its general pattern of temporarily appeasing the nationalist communities by conducting retaliatory missile strikes on Ukraine in an effort to deflect from persistent mobilization problems. Renewed milblogger critiques about mobilization again show how ephemeral the Kremlin’s successes are at deflecting attention from them. The nationalist community resumed its calls on the Kremlin to replace senior officials and commanders and declare war, which some had anticipated would be the Kremlin’s response to the Kerch Strait Bridge explosions, broken mobilization process, and loss of most of Kharkiv Oblast and Lyman.[10] The Kremlin remains trapped in a cycle of appeasing its pro-war constituencies but retaining Russian President Vladimir Putin’s vision of a limited war in Ukraine that is incompatible with their demands and expectations.
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Increasingly degraded morale, discipline, and combat capabilities among Russian troops in combat zones in Ukraine may be leading to temporary suspensions in offensive operations in limited areas. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that, particularly in Donetsk Oblast, certain Russian units are receiving orders from commanders to temporarily halt offensive operations due to extremely low morale, psychological conditions, high rates of desertion, and non-execution of combat orders.[22] The General Staff statement is likely a reflection of the fact that Russian detachments are becoming increasingly degraded as they impale themselves on relatively small and insignificant settlements throughout Donetsk Oblast, especially around Bakhmut and the Donetsk City area. As these units become more degraded, they are likely reconstituted ad hoc with disparate combat elements, which leads to further demoralization and incoherence in the conduct of offensive operations. However, the apparent suspension of offensive operations in areas of Donetsk Oblast, nearly the only areas in Ukraine where Russian troops are engaged in offensive operations, will further complicate Russian efforts to take additional territory and likely further contribute to poor morale and overall attrition of combat capabilities.
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lowenz on 14/10/2022 at 20:41
The Kremlin just wants an excuse to emulate US on the nuclear solution. No troops? Missiles. More deaths? More "righteousness".
lowenz on 15/10/2022 at 21:42
Gubarev ( (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Gubarev) ->
former neo-Nazi who proclaimed himself the "People's Governor" of the Donetsk Region at the Regional Assembly on 3 March 2014, after separatists seized the building. Gubarev had earlier declared himself leader of the Donbas People's Militia )
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https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/ukraine-russia-war-donetsk-putin-b2200925.html)
“
But if you don't want to be convinced, we'll kill you. We'll kill as many as we have to: one million, five million, or exterminate all of you"If not yet clear who's the (orthodox) nazists. And for all of this just thank Yeltsin in the '90s, it's all his legacy.
Addendum: if you're interested in "
But Kherson is not in Donbass, who's wanting the russians there?" -> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekaterina_Gubareva) (the wife of the mad man, now just do 2+2 )
Cipheron on 16/10/2022 at 00:49
This story about Russian recruits being killed by gunmen:
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-15-22/index.html)
Quote:
Two gunmen opened fire on Russian military recruits at a training ground in Russia's Belgorod region, killing at least 11 people and wounding another 15, Russia's state news agency TASS reports.
The attack happened Saturday
during a training session at the Western Military District, according to TASS, which cited the Russian Defense Ministry. The gunmen were said to be from former Soviet states. Russian officials have branded the attack an act of terrorism.
A sign of the times but the only thing that surprised me was "huh, they provide training to Russian recruits. That's new".
However the rest of the story clarified the situation. These were volunteer soldiers, not draftees and they were training for "special operations". So basically, the draftees get stuffed onto trains and straight to deployment but if you volunteer they're probably going to consider you an asset worth investing some training in, and put you in a better unit.
Good work Russian 5th columnists, taking out 11 war mongering special forces trainees. I mean, I'd be more sympathetic if those 11 trainees weren't likely to have ended up killing hundreds of civilians.
Starker on 16/10/2022 at 02:42
The worst cases always get disproportionate coverage, so while there are undoubtedly lots of people sent to war completely unprepared with little else but their hands in their pockets, just standard distribution would suggest there must be some well trained and equipped units also, with a lot of partially trained partially equipped soldiers in between.
As for the incident, the former Soviet state was Tajikistan, apparently, and there are rumors that the number of casualties was even higher than the official figure. Which... figures.
Cipheron on 16/10/2022 at 08:56
Quote Posted by Starker
The worst cases always get disproportionate coverage, so while there are undoubtedly lots of people sent to war completely unprepared with little else but their hands in their pockets, just standard distribution would suggest there must be some well trained and equipped units also, with a lot of partially trained partially equipped soldiers in between.
As for the incident, the former Soviet state was Tajikistan, apparently, and there are rumors that the number of casualties was even higher than the official figure. Which... figures.
I was really referring to the current mobilization. They really are just bussing raw recruits to Ukraine with zero training. In that context it makes sense that only *volunteers* are having the limited available training allocated to them, while people who didn't want to be there just aren't worth allocating ANY of the training time to. It's just a logic that makes sense for them right now, but it's still pretty darned evil.
nemyax on 16/10/2022 at 09:27
Quote Posted by Cipheron
Good work Russian 5th columnists
Don't get your hopes up yet. This particular massacre was perpetrated by two Tajiks who thought they were doing their allah a favour this way.
That said, yesterday the body of a draft officer was found hanging on a fence in Partizansk (sic!). A new civil war doesn't look too far off at this point.
Starker on 16/10/2022 at 11:27
Yeah, I wouldn't read much into a single case. There were nasty incidents already when my father served in the Russian army and ethnic/religious conflicts that escalate into full-blown murder are nothing new in Russia, though the war no doubt exacerbates the situation.
lowenz on 16/10/2022 at 11:48
Quote Posted by nemyax
Don't get your hopes up yet. This particular massacre was perpetrated by two Tajiks who thought they were doing their allah a favour this way.
So it's a battle between the "Satan" of the West and the "Satan" of Moscow.
Damn, so much SatanS around. It's diabolic (..................)