WingedKagouti on 8/10/2022 at 16:49
Quote Posted by heywood
They might have to retreat back into Crimea and Russia temporarily,
As of today, I don't think the Russian military leadership views Crimea as a safe zone to retreat to.
Cipheron on 8/10/2022 at 18:29
Quote Posted by Starker
About the possibility of nukes being used:
Beau also did a great video outlining the facts behind the Azov Brigade. He makes a good description by explaining it in terms of the USA. Imagine if part of the USA, say Florida and surrounding states were over-run by a foreign military then American volunteers showed up to combat the invaders. What type of person would be turning up to fight? Who has all the tactical gear and larps WWIII all the time? Liberals? Nope. The far-right does. The guys who wear SS t-shirts under their cammo gear, the types who stormed the capital on Jan 6th. So the far-right militias are the first people on the scene, they're the de-facto "in charge" people, and then other volunteers (less radicalized ones) who turn up then naturally end up coming under their command. That's basically what Azov is. They're like the Three Percenters or the Proud Boys but found themselves the defacto army units in charge of a fair chunk of the border regions in the 2014 war.
[video=youtube;aoGFfr1ahGQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoGFfr1ahGQ&t=79s[/video]
lowenz on 9/10/2022 at 06:59
Azov = Proud Boys is obvious (and I mean they have literally the same instructors :D )
Azov = Nazi is propaganda
So Azov is good? The same "good" as russian Orthodox Army.....just put a Kolovrat instead of the Orthodox Cross.
In the deep, they're just nationalists (leaning to white "european" supremacy and anticommunism, being Azov/ukrainians more tribalistic and Othodox Army/russians more imperialistic)
Tomi on 10/10/2022 at 18:58
Putin really is a fucktard. Not that the civilised world didn't know that already, but today was just pathetic and ugly even by his standards. Ukraine destroys a strategically important bridge (in their own land), Putin calls it an act of terrorism. Russia then retaliates by firing 75 missiles against civilian targets. I'm now starting to believe that there's absolutely no hope for peace until Putin is dead and Russia takes such a beating that they won't recover for decades.
lowenz on 10/10/2022 at 19:18
The "beating" can only be economic (and so Ukraine destroyed in YEARS of war, that's the price, sanction can works if they are virtually eternal and complete even after Putin's death/demise) or nuclear.
Now you can realize why the only hope to have a "western compatible Russia" was the communism itself (even not working well 'cause it was designed for a total different reality and mindset of the population).
You bring down the (disfunctional) communism as "ultimate project" for Russia escatological vision of itself, you give imperialistic Russia a new spin and with a nuclear arsenal (and with no shame to use paternalistic rhetoric and sometimes even suprematist)
In the same way communism did handle the ukrainian nationalism "problem" better (creation of the republic, territorial concessions, etc.) Now we simply go back to classic tsar-era "no compromise" (mafia-like) policy: we know what's good for you, obey or you'll obey
Problem is: Russian elite(s) will always see Ukraine as a tumor (for several reason, not only the "elegant" geopolitical one being Ukraine more democratic than Russia) and in particular military elite will always want Crimea to be the mediterranean fleet base (now that they got new submarines and new missiles) with ALL the routes to it in the package (same for Kaliningrad and Lithuania).
Remember that Putin is considered a *LIBERAL* in the micro-cosmos of russian elites. Just think about someone not so *LIBERAL*.......Russia and russian mindset work in a way West can't understand because westerns think it's "western-like" (USA nationalists too, but I repeat they're totally clueless and ignorant) but in reality is not: it's really complex even to explain why they see tyrants as someone giving them the freedom to not taint themselves with politics :p in a perfect conscious and genuine way.
Azaran on 10/10/2022 at 20:55
Quote Posted by Tomi
Putin really is a fucktard. Not that the civilised world didn't know that already, but today was just pathetic and ugly even by his standards. Ukraine destroys a strategically important bridge (in their own land), Putin calls it an act of terrorism. Russia then retaliates by firing 75 missiles against civilian targets. I'm now starting to believe that there's absolutely no hope for peace until Putin is dead and Russia takes such a beating that they won't recover for decades.
Comrade Stupidov wants to go out with a bang
Tocky on 11/10/2022 at 00:16
That is something to consider. If Putin is willing to bomb so many maybe the right missile targeting the right person could do a lot of good in one fell swoop.
lowenz on 12/10/2022 at 07:02
About Bering/Alaska as a "non-starter" (of conflict) :D
[video=youtube;UjBUCFkT-q0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjBUCFkT-q0&ab_channel=ABCNews[/video]
Nicker on 12/10/2022 at 12:28
"I can see Russians from my back porch."