Azaran on 30/9/2022 at 15:50
Fyi, Stalin started persecuting Jews in the 50's too.
(
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot)
It's possible that if he hadn't died, the Soviet Union would have suffered its own Jewish Holocaust
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According to Louis Rapoport the alleged deportation was planned to start with the public execution of the imprisoned doctors, and then the "following incidents would follow": "attacks on Jews orchestrated by the secret police, the publication of the statement by the prominent Jews, and a flood of other letters demanding that action be taken. A three-stage program of genocide would be followed. First, almost all Soviet Jews ... would be shipped to camps east of the Urals ... Second, the authorities would set Jewish leaders at all levels against one another ... Also the MGB [Secret Police] would start killing the elites in the camps, just as they had killed the Yiddish writers ... the previous year. The ... final stage would be to 'get rid of the rest.'"According to Louis Rapoport the alleged deportation was planned to start with the public execution of the imprisoned doctors, and then the "following incidents would follow": "attacks on Jews orchestrated by the secret police, the publication of the statement by the prominent Jews, and a flood of other letters demanding that action be taken. A three-stage program of genocide would be followed. First, almost all Soviet Jews ... would be shipped to camps east of the Urals ... Second, the authorities would set Jewish leaders at all levels against one another ... Also the MGB [Secret Police] would start killing the elites in the camps, just as they had killed the Yiddish writers ... the previous year. The ... final stage would be to 'get rid of the rest.'"
lowenz on 30/9/2022 at 16:03
To Silentor, so maybe now he can realize the "all thing": (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Barkashov)
During the Russo-Ukrainian War, Barkashov actively supports the Russian-backed separatists. In a leaked audio recording from spring 2014, Barkashov consulted Dmitri Boitsov, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Army.[9] According to Barkahsov's words, his own son fought with a column of pro-Russian fighters against Ukraine.[10]There's nothing to add about who's the real nazi :D
Of course the real nazis are russians (and it can't be otherwise 'cause there are ONLY russians, "ukrainians" just don't exist for russian nationalists :p )
lowenz on 30/9/2022 at 16:31
It's just perfect for today sovranists ( (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereigntism#Russia) ) , they LOVES Stalin, they just can't say it openly.
The "last piece" they can't say - 'cause it's totally nazi - is this (and I mean today nationalist-liberalist russian elites): "
We really don't hate anglo-saxons as we say in public, the "Albion" thing is just a rhetoric, we're not racist - like you - in fact we're so similar to OLD glorious americans, we would love them IF NOT FOR JEWISH INFECTION THEY MADLY DON'T FIGHT......."
That's what virtually *every existing nationalist* (in every christian and islamic country) thinks. In USA like in Russia like in every European country: it's just the Henry Ford antisemitic paradigm about what corrupts "naturally good" capitalism.
And this thing has 2 parents (parent 1 / parent 2 ! ): the Catholic Church AND the Orthodox Church.
Maybe it's the definitive proof that a marriage between the same genre has really really bad consequences :D
RippedPhreak on 30/9/2022 at 17:37
Since the Global American Empire will not accept any resolution except the death of Putin (or for him to step down and be exiled which would end with his death), further escalations are inevitable. They will not leave any way out, so...WWIII it is!
For the record, I don't support Putin, I just don't care what goes on over there and I think it's silly for us to send $100 billion of our money (or whatever the amount is up to now) to fight Putin when we have so many problems to fix right here at home.
lowenz on 30/9/2022 at 18:11
You prefer the global "no more american" empire until the fight will be between China and Russia?
Don't be a fool, there are NO communists and not even "sovranists" in Stalin fashion (you americans can call them "pseudoautarchic isolationists"), they're identical to US about market and finance.
"Global Russkij Mir" (Eurasia -> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasianism) ) will be just another empire, born from the ashes of the european
ancién regime. Just another elite of "knights" and "nobles". The same way Hitler envisioned SS membership.
Political scientist Anton Shekhovtsov defines Dugin's version of Neo-Eurasianism as "a form of a fascist ideology centred on the idea of revolutionising the Russian society and building a totalitarian, Russia-dominated Eurasian Empire that would challenge and eventually defeat its eternal adversary represented by the United States and its Atlanticist allies, thus bringing about a new ‘golden age' of global political and cultural illiberalismIn synthesis, that's it. American GOP is so politically ignorant, blind and stupid that has just become instrumental to this, not even realizing why or how.
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They will not leave any way out
You don't understand Putin vision about politics. Putin WANTS to destroy the "corrupted" West to "save it" just like is destroying Ukraine for the very same belief. He REALLY believes this shit. Just listen to the annexation stream, he just thinks we're under SATAN influence.
It's not a West decision.
For the record Putin is just a "chosen one" (seen as too much liberal) of a long tradition of russian imperial irredentism -> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Rutskoy)
Communist (like Rutskoy) or liberal (like Putin) doens't matter. They simply want to "reclaim" what they think the West robbed them. For the not-communists (and so liberals like Putin/Zhirinovsky or fascists like Dugin or hardcore nazi like Barkashov) this kind of reclaiming process gets a
spiritual dimension they REALLY are in.
It's why Communism was better for US. No spiritual shit about the "End of Times" and so on from a state with 6000 nuclear warheads. But US seem to know nothing about these political systems and dynamics. SO IGNORANT. And GOP, more than Dem, is abysmal.
RippedPhreak on 30/9/2022 at 18:32
If there is a fight between China and Russia, why do I care? And if Putin wished to destroy the corrupted West, he could just fire off all his nukes today. Yet he does not...curious. Anyway how could he destroy the West when he has so much trouble with Ukraine only?
As for Meloni, she has been placed in the driver's seat, yes. But like Trump she will soon find that the steering wheel and pedals are not connected to anything. She will not be allowed to change any policies that matter. Italy is doomed, just as America is doomed. Sometimes the real powers allow a Trump, a Salvini or a Meloni to win, just to keep people engaged with the voting system. To fool people into thinking that voting matters. But in reality the globalist agenda continues, no matter who is the fake figurehead in the chair.
heywood on 30/9/2022 at 19:01
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michael row your boat ashore koombayah and all that then. We are talking about a Russian invasion.
Standards of conversation don't need to change just because a war is going on. The world didn't suddenly turn black and white on 24 Feb.
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Since the Global American Empire will not accepny resolution except the death of Putin (or for him to step down and be exiled which would end with his death), further escalations are inevitable.
I think we would be fine with a Russian withdrawal to its internationally recognized borders. If Putin is willing to fight to the death over the territories he's invaded, further escalations are inevitable.
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If there is a fight between China and Russia, why do I care?
China and Russia wouldn't fight it out if we went isolationist. China would let Russia have Eastern Europe and the Middle East. China will happily buy up Western Europe and extend it's sphere of control over Asia and Africa, then move on to buying up Aus, NZ, Canada. Then we'll go invade Canada, get our assess kicked, and that will be the dying breath of our empire ambitions.
Or we use this as an opportunity to get Europe properly capable of defending itself, and have an equal partner in defending Western liberalism.
RippedPhreak on 30/9/2022 at 19:26
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China would let Russia have Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
....good? I mean, who cares? Actually if Russia could not keep its USSR territories, how do you think it can retake them all, plus the middle east?
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China will happily buy up Western Europe
It sounds like Euro governments should...not sell their countries to China then? Have you talked to them about not doing this?
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Then we'll go invade Canada, get our asses kicked
Who is "we?"
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we use this as an opportunity to get Europe properly capable of defending itself.
Sounds like Europe's problem.
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an equal partner in defending Western liberalism.
You are inviting in millions of immigrants from countries that are not "western-liberal." Thus in a few decades, Europe will be populated by peoples that do not care about western liberalism and do not want it.
lowenz on 30/9/2022 at 19:37
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
If there is a fight between China and Russia, why do I care? And if Putin wished to destroy the corrupted West, he could just fire off all his nukes today. Yet he does not...curious. Anyway how could he destroy the West when he has so much trouble with Ukraine only?
He wants to destroy (spiritual) corruption in the West identified with USA politics, not the West (he wants Europe in Eurasia project) but of course he will read the NATO/UE "
No, the evil is you, dear Putin" like Satan (USA) possessing a body (NATO/UE). And so he'll react.
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As for Meloni, she has been placed in the driver's seat, yes. But like Trump she will soon find that the steering wheel and pedals are not connected to anything. She will not be allowed to change any policies that matter. Italy is doomed, just as America is doomed. Sometimes the real powers allow a Trump, a Salvini or a Meloni to win, just to keep people engaged with the voting system. To fool people into thinking that voting matters. But in reality the globalist agenda continues, no matter who is the fake figurehead in the chair.
Conspiracy fantasy of someone who feels without any power.
The REAL world is much more simple, 'cause all the leaders want to go "global" (without saying it of course)
I can talk for days and days about Salvini (Dugin just "instructed" him in Kremlin) or Meloni (she's just a Tolkien nerd speaking the same words of Putin but standing with NATO, it's the same stance of all post-fascism far right movements since WW2 in Italy but "Forza Nuova" because they're just pure religious fascists ADORING messianic
deus ex machina like Putin - Mussolini best scholar until now I must say)
Salvini and Dugin, in Kremlin some years ago (photo never got public here in Italy, just think why):
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Thus in a few decades, Europe will be populated by peoples that do not care about western liberalism and do not want it.
But they're not doing 10 sons per couple. They're already "corrupted" by Satan :p
