Jason Moyer on 26/2/2022 at 20:11
Get out of here, Putin.
Jashin on 26/2/2022 at 20:22
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Get out of here, Putin.
Ah yes, no facts please, just character assassination.
You seem stressed. Deep breaths, and then come back with something thoughtful and intelligent. This isn't a discussion otherwise.
Jason Moyer on 26/2/2022 at 20:30
Get out of here, Putin.
rachel on 26/2/2022 at 20:33
Zelensky to the US proposing evac: "I need ammo, not a ride."
Looks like he's is going full Allende, which is commendable... I just hope the ending will be different this time :erg:
Jashin on 26/2/2022 at 20:47
Quote Posted by rachel
Zelensky to the US proposing evac: "I need ammo, not a ride."
Looks like he's is going full Allende, which is commendable... I just hope the ending will be different this time :erg:
It ends the same way, as the Afghans before him, and the Kurds before that, so on.
War is ugly business, people caught up in it that doesn't get a choice. To be for peace one has to know why it's happening and what let to it.
I understand not everyone can or wants to break through the information control. I did little other than post some information available anywhere.
It is what it is. A few will be thoughtful and engage the thinking cap.
Tocky on 26/2/2022 at 21:06
I love the Ukraine resistance. Bless Zelensky for that. Did you see where some are saying it's Anonymous that hacked the Russians with Ukrainian songs on their broadcast? (
https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/128428/hacking/anonymous-russian-defense-ministry.html)
I hope they keep it up. I hope the Ukrainians resist until Russia has to tuck it's tail and leave. Of course then they will have to overthrow whatever puppet leader Russia has installed and run another election but I have a lot of respect for Ukraine now. In honor of the islanders last words there should be a Fuck You campaign against Putin.
And my god at the propaganda! Have you been on facebook lately? In addition to the usual suspects flooding it with pro Russia BS they are hiring a lot of Africans to lie for them. Check out The Daily Mail site. They have always been swamped with Russians (and farmed out Macedonians) any time any issue about Russia has popped up but it's getting crazy there now. Paid shills must be mopping up.
Oh yeah, and lots of calls for peace now that Russia is in control of Ukraine. Sure they want it NOW. No resistance is good for them. Be good and let us install a puppet government. LOL.
lowenz on 26/2/2022 at 21:15
Quote Posted by Jashin
allowing neo-nazism to take root in that misery.
Sigh.
You're led to wrong conclusions by yourself and the
"MEDIA LIES!!!1111" religion.
Surely the media can lie, but you people have a pseudognostic Matrix-like religion about that (-> the self proclaimed
redpills)
Read some Voegelin ( (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Voegelin) ) about that and you'll know better what's behind
"MEDIA LIES!!!1111" religion.
Azov battalion is "nazistoid", not neo-nazi and it's so because it is born from football supporters (YES), like it happens here in Italy (see Hellas Verona supporters, they are self-declared "neo-nazi" but of course Verona city or Italy are not "nazi" realities, LOL ).
Ukranian nationalists are maybe fascists (it's why Putin calls them "
Banderovtsi" -> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera) ), surely not nazis: how it can the JEW Zelensky be a president of a nazi-state to "denazify" ? (cit. Putin). He's jew,
bonjour.
The lies are totally from the Cremlin this time. And really stupid and childish ones. A nazi state in jew hands.....and I'm Garrett the Thief :p
serg_kundel on 26/2/2022 at 21:38
@Jashin If omit some details, in general you have provided correct picture of the history.
On first Maidan we (Ukrainians) were not agree with the results of president's elections. According to the "official" results Victor Janukovich (with "whited" criminal past, pro-russian candidate) was the winner. The people were not agree with such results, there was a big number of things showing that votes were fake. Few people started the protest on the main square of Kyiv, which is called "Maidan of the Independence". Police stopped this in cruel way and, as result, on the next day there were thousands. People were exhausted for many different processes in the country. That time everything was peaceful. The result of 1st Maidan was election of the president - Victor Jushenko (pro-european candidate). Unfortunately, his weak political actions, during his term, caused that next president becomes Victor Janukovich and his political team start dominating in the parliament. A lot of different pro-russian laws were accepted, while pro-european - not. During his term he was destroying our army - selling military equipment and vehicals, shrinking the number of soldiers (by russian president recommendations). And in some moment Janukovich should decide the following: go into russian Tamozhenyi Souz (what actually right now is Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan) or select moving into EU direction. Of course he selected russian direction. And that cause...
2014 Euromaidan. Once again all started from the small group of students, that were not agree with this decision. And again - police stopped that. Next day - thousands people, which started blaming him mainly for this choice and a lot of others pro-russian laws. "It" (russian president) even send personally to Janukovich a lot of money,as Ukrainian debt, for "correct" choice and say to stop Maidan. At some point police start acting brutally against it's own people. Situation becomes worse and worse with every day, and than start shooting at the people. Later there were evidences that "it" send his special police ("Omon") to Ukraine to stop Maidan, for whatever it takes. A lot of people died in that period, but people were not afraid. I would say, it really united us as nation - Maidan transformed into small city, where everybody knew what to (who protects, who heals injured, who brings supplies, food, etc) and how to manage things inside, whithout politicians. After the attacks, there was really low trust to the politics, who were at the head of Maidan (Klichko, Jatsenyuk, Tagnybok). At some point some people decided to visit house of Janukovich and "say hi". But Janukovich decideed to flee into Rostov-na-Donu (russia). And the 2nd Maidan was over, the new president becomes Petro Poroshenko. At that point Ukraine was weak, "it" used that situation and annexed Crimea peninsula (at the South of Ukraine) without blood. By the time when "it" start capturing the East of Ukraine (Luhansk and Donetsk regions or Donbass area) our people were ready to "say welcome" with guns. It was a miracle, that for so short time we had an army created from scratch (thanks for ruinned army to Janukovich) by our own people, who decided to pay back for Crimea and support of our west partners. Unfortunately russia was able to annex part of East of Ukraine and then all these cease-fire, diplomacy start working for 8 years.
And now we have these, thanks to that asshole "it". He thought that it will be 2-3 days operation. Pff. Now even ordinary people in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, Mykolaiv and other cities are successfully stoping russian vehicles with guns, cocktails Molotov, anti-tanks complexes. We have a long queues of people who wants to be in army or territorial protection. They all stands there not because of military law, but by their anger to kill at least one occupant personally. We will protect our country to the last.
I want once again to thank everyone, who helps us to stop that crazy, mind-illed Nazis terrorist and protect our Ukraine territory.
GLORY TO UKRAINE!
СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ!
P.s.: please forgive me if I wrote smth in not-english.
Starker on 26/2/2022 at 21:49
It doesn't matter a lick whether Russia feels threatened by NATO or whatever insecurities they have. Nazi Germany likewise felt threatened by jews and bolsheviks and liberals. It doesn't even for a moment justify the atrocities they commit on their own people or the war of aggression against their neighbours.
And even though Germany was the only one to suffer any consequences the last time, there are still people who remember that Poland was attacked from two sides.