heywood on 22/9/2022 at 13:22
One wonders what kind of training the conscripts are going to get and where they will be employed.
Will they be deployed to posts around the country so that regular army members there can be freed up for redeployment to Ukraine? Will they be employed to produce more weapons? Or maybe run logistics, which has been a weak point for the Russian army?
I cannot imagine the army would just send untrained people right to the tip of the spear to be uselessly slaughtered.
Azaran on 22/9/2022 at 13:24
Russia will collapse from the inside ere long
Cipheron on 22/9/2022 at 13:28
This is also laughable:
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https://news.yahoo.com/putin-orders-russian-military-industrial-122518046.html)
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Putin orders Russian military industrial complex to immediately supply troops with munitions and analyse Western weapons
If they haven't been able to match Western weapons in 2022, what good is "analyzing" them now going to be? That's just pathetic and delusional. Expecting them to roll out knock-off HIMARS in a couple of months or something.
nemyax on 22/9/2022 at 14:02
Quote Posted by heywood
I cannot imagine the army would just send untrained people right to the tip of the spear to be uselessly slaughtered.
Well that's the plan and has frequently been the practice so far.
Cipheron on 22/9/2022 at 14:19
I forgot if I posted this one but it doesn't look like it:
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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pilots-repair-planes-sanctions-ukraine-war-report-1743217)
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Pilots of regional Russian airlines will be instructed to carry out maintenance on their own aircraft, amid sanctions imposed on the country following its invasion of Ukraine.
Would you fucking fly on their planes after reading that? Was reminded of that because the latest report is that all energy workers are being drafted. So they're going to suck men out of their energy industry to supply fresh meat for the grinder. They're fucking Starship Troopers now.
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https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Putin-Forces-All-Energy-Workers-To-Register-For-Military-Draft.html)
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The Russian Energy Ministry has asked nearly 100% of Russia's male energy sector employees to present themselves at recruitment offices, according to a Ministry letter shared by Gaz Bayushka.
Those receiving the letter, all companies in the country's energy sector, as well as those in the mining sector, must adhere to the command. The companies must, according to the letter, give all men employed in the oil, gas, and mining sectors a day off to register at drafting offices.
That kind of makes you wonder why the regional airlines have no mechanics left and are telling pilots to fix the planes. Did they empty out those mechanics for the military? Basically it seems like they're eyeing up all sectors of the economy that aren't *directly* about making bombs and bullets to bleed their work forces and send skilled men to the front.
lowenz on 22/9/2022 at 14:27
Quote Posted by nemyax
Well that's the plan and has frequently been the practice so far.
So Putin can escalate to thermonuclear
but for good reasons..................
Thermonuclear is also CLEAN enough (...............)
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The Russian Energy Ministry has asked nearly 100% of Russia's male energy sector employees to present themselves at recruitment offices
So they'll send babushka in the power plants to actually.....replace them? :D
lowenz on 22/9/2022 at 22:16
I must say GIRKIN is really one of kind (and a war criminal for the events of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17)
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https://postimg.cc/xXrSykHn)
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https://i.postimg.cc/K8jvbB8k/Untitled.jpgDamn, Russia is so full of brilliant AND deranged minds.
Just like USA.
Girkin really believes in "Novorossija Project" as an act of liberation and "reunification" of russian people, he's so naive he can't realize that Putin just wants a free access to Crimea and Crimea for the (tactical warhead submarines) fleet. A totally russian Donbas(s) is just like a totally russian route to Kaliningrad: the perfect commodity.
No one is interested in actual people, "people" is just an excuse.
michael a on 23/9/2022 at 00:39
Interesting talk of several analysts - Dmitri Alperovitch, Michael Kofman and Rob Lee on the topic of putin's mobilization and nuclear threats: (
https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1572564392948170752) They are mostly cautious but as I may see, the main conclusion here - is that the mobilization won't change the course of war or possible outcome and came too late - when Russia military already sustained heavy losses of professionals that also affected (already low) morale of ordinary (and serving) Russians. It can only prolong the war duration. And in general, the overall quality of Rus personnel will be only lowering.
Starker on 23/9/2022 at 01:28
Quote Posted by heywood
I cannot imagine the army would just send untrained people right to the tip of the spear to be uselessly slaughtered.
I think I'm starting to understand why people in the West overestimated the Russian army so much:
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https://www.ft.com/content/e5b88958-b6e4-4417-ba50-eb1916092acd)
Andrey, a young car mechanic, was walking through the city of Horlivka in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine with his friend Elena in late March when they were stopped by a military conscription officer who thrust call-up papers into his hands.
Within a week, Andrey, who had no military experience, was on the frontline fighting alongside Russian troops in Moscow's confrontation with Ukraine. “I don't know where he is now,” Elena said. “I don't even know the unit number. He rarely called . . . then there was no longer any contact with him.”
Russia has not introduced mass mobilisation of fighting age men since invading Ukraine on February 24, because it has not officially declared itself at war with its neighbour. But conscription has been in force in Ukraine's pro-Russia breakaway enclaves, the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics in the south-eastern Donbas region, since the start of what Moscow calls a “special military operation”. Previously only some men were called for military service, with many exempt.
Russia appears to be relying heavily on conscripts from the breakaway regions in the absence of its own full mobilisation, some analysts say.
In recent weeks, the separatist authorities have reportedly intensified the call-up, with residents saying men with no military experience are regularly plucked from the streets and immediately sent to the front. The escalation, and rising casualty rates, have begun to spark anger even among pro-Russian communities.
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Pyrian on 23/9/2022 at 01:33
Why pay for boot camp, when you can just send untrained people right to the front lines, and any survivors will be skilled combatants in short order.