Jashin on 26/2/2022 at 05:47
Quote Posted by Tocky
Clearly your publishers clearinghouse intelligence with high level truth invisible to the average person or any person has beaten me. Surely one must trust Matrix quotes over reality.
Edit: Damn. I ran him off. Come back! I was just Jashin! It's getting so you can't hint that you know why folks are trying to discredit legitimate news at a time when Putin is trying to twist it to his favor.
Come back baby. I didn't mean it. You still have Italy like the fuhrer did!
You ran me off? LMFAO. So there are people like you on the internet. My god you are magnificent. Life must be fabulous when you are so special.
You are right, you ran me off the internet. You know nothing and you're right about everything, and of course you had nothing to say but you won. Bravo, here, have this trophy that I made just for you, you deserve it cus you deserve everything :laff::laff:
PigLick on 26/2/2022 at 07:31
But how come you know so much about the high levels of operation that us normal people know nothing about? I'm serious, I would love to know.
zacharias on 26/2/2022 at 07:50
Yeah, he's disappointingly vague about what is really going on. C'mon, educate us please.
PigLick on 26/2/2022 at 08:28
Quote Posted by Yakoob
Took only 2 pages for this thread to turn into a pissing match. And I used to think TTLG was better than reddit. Alas...
Lol dont you remember the heyday of Commchat, hell lasting 2 pages back then would have been an impressive result.
Szynek on 26/2/2022 at 14:21
Hello,
There's something I'd like to share here as I feel like this doesn't get enough coverage; If you want to help (as a gamer) there is an actual way to do it. Some of the gaming companies (AFAIK: mostly smaller studios from eastern Europe) are going to donate 100% of their games revenue for X amount of time to Ukraine-related causes/organizations. This was initially started by 11 bit's This War of Mine (which made sense, considering this game's subject matter), but other devs joined the initiative.
Here's a list of devs, that I know of:
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https://twitter.com/11bitstudios/status/1496904408344449027/photo/1)
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https://twitter.com/CrunchingKoalas/status/1497270030836322304/photo/1)
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https://twitter.com/AllinGamesPub/status/1497274538916290564/photo/1)
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https://twitter.com/GamesRedDeer/status/1497251613060354060/photo/1)
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https://www.facebook.com/Amanita.Design/photos/a.10150348734324118/10158878329024118/?type=3)
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https://twitter.com/Bungie/status/1496999197559693321?cxt=HHwWkoC5-da1tMYpAAAA)
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https://twitter.com/State_of_Play/status/1497178102841192451/photo/1)
I'd like to stress, that this is not just the typical corporate non-action bullshit, they are in fact going to (if those statements are to be believed) take a financial hit from it. Of course you can make an argument, that they are doing this just for PR etc. (which they probably do) but the outcome is still worth it in my opinion. I mean, I'm not saying "go buy everything", it's just that if you are already interested in some of those games and/or you are missing some of the DLCs, then maybe it is worth to pick them up at this point.
It's also funny/sad how as mentioned, this is mostly done by smaller indie devs, but I am yet to see any initiative like this from larger studios/publishers. Granted, I didn't do any extensive research, but the only reaction from any larger player was some CDPR donation. Couldn't find anything when it comes to Activision, Ubisoft, Xbox, etc. though.
Tocky on 26/2/2022 at 16:04
Quote Posted by Yakoob
Took only 2 pages for this thread to turn into a pissing match. And I used to think TTLG was better than reddit. Alas...
You wound me. I was just having a bit of fun. I thought that was obvious. Was I supposed to keep quiet about knowing what he was doing in discrediting news sources at this particular time and those particular news sources? Sorry. I just do not expect any actual information from someone casting unsupported aspersions right now. Maybe I should have asked all serious about a 300 million a year disinformation campaign against China being routed through AP and Reuters. And because of white guilt no less. Is that what you would like? Get some secret agent intel off of Youtube links? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm doing it again. I'll stay out of it and let you folks draw it out of him. I just find it bitterly amusing is all, particularly in a thread about Russian aggression to reestablish a puppet government.
Tocky on 26/2/2022 at 16:39
Quote Posted by Nicker
History teaches us that appeasing bullies has a down side, especially when the population is punished by sanctions.
Also sanctions will have a huge effect on people who don't even know their needs are integrated into the Russian economy and supply chains.
Whether those pains are enough to stop Putin, we don't know. He is sick in the head. I think he would understand a gesture like increasing NATO presence on the opposite border of Ukraine. Certainly he got permission to act based on how quickly NATO and the UN abandoned the military option and leaving Ukraine to be picked off with impunity. It also signals that his imperialist strategy is worth the risk, because there is little down side for him personally.
And that's the key, this isn't a nation to nation fight. Like T***p, it's all about Vlad.
NATO and the UN are also about meeting force with force, in repelling aggressive war, to prevent tyrants from getting a foothold, to discourage their ambitions and to protect civilians. NATO and the UN have arguably failed to do the very thing they were designed and intended to do. To respond with force to illegal war.
This is what I should have responded to. It's just that I agree with every word of it and I often do not respond in such cases. I suppose I could say that it would only impress Vlad if forces responded quickly but that is obvious. I'm sure we are all thinking back to another expansionist leader.
I will say that those supply chains need rerouting and should never have become dependent on Russia to begin with. This should be clear to Europe and the US now.
Jashin on 26/2/2022 at 19:44
Quote Posted by PigLick
But how come you know so much about the high levels of operation that us normal people know nothing about? I'm serious, I would love to know.
Quote Posted by zacharias
Yeah, he's disappointingly vague about what is really going on. C'mon, educate us please.
I'm a normal person who knows just enough to know the mainstream version is leading me to the wrong conclusion, so I go and do more research. I have the common sense to know something big doesn't just happen in 1 day, there's always a buildup. It helps to be multi-lingual, multi-literate to break through the wall of information control, but it's not a requirement. And honestly it doesn't take very much digging before the kind of information surfaces that will call into doubt the stories that are being pushed in the MSM. The information is in plain sight, although some of it is cloaked in jargons and doublespeak.
A cursory dig into the situation in Ukraine showed me the current situation can be traced back to 2004 Ukrainian presidential election, and the (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution) Orange Revolution, in which the losing candidate accused the winner of election fraud, and wins in the rerun. That's the start of Ukraine's drift from being a neutral state between big powers. The key is the people involved. That candidate, (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#Family_and_personal_life) Viktor Yushchenko 6 years before had married a (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kateryna_Yushchenko) US state dept. worker who was sent to run an US-funded NGO in the newly independent Ukraine. This planted the seed that was later followed up by the (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan) 2014 Euromaidan which installed (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko) Petro Poroshenko, whereby the real trouble started. A lot of it and more is covered in the (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE) John Mearsheimer video from Feb 21, just 3 days before the start of the war. What he did not say was how much Ukrainian economy, already bad from 20 years of mismanagement & outside influences, crashed following Poroshenko's entering into office, how he gave key govt. jobs to foreigners (Americans) and together they hollowed out the country, leading to a 10% drop in GDP in 2015, 5 million workers losing their job, the country being called "The Womb of Europe," etc., allowing neo-nazism to take root in that misery.
A lot has happened in the 8 years since which brings the current situation into focus, and goes to explain why Russia, faced with existing sanctions since 2014 (warfare by economic means) and the mother of all sanctions after, still sent troops in. The question one asks is, "Why, what is at stake for them?" The Minsk II was the last chance for peace, but alas... If you do some research it becomes plain as day. Knowing all this and more, the "Crazy Putin" theory doesn't hold any water.
Domestically, the ones at the top of the government (of both dem and rep) are loving it. They got two sibling countries fighting each other, capital leaving Europe back to US, and you folks have had your attention diverted from real issues at home like the wealth inequity, homelessness, crumbling infrastructure, etc. etc. chest-pumping, red in the eyes, thinking that the world is as simple as good guy and bad guy.
