Russia invades Ukraine

Tocky on 27/8/2022 at 01:57

Oh I don't think he is either. He had an excellent post about the irony of the meat sign. It was Silentor (what a ridiculous name) who tried to lump him in with his crap. Silentor is absolutely on the payroll though. By making it nearly impossible for the average Russian citizen to access these sites they have inadvertently exposed their own operatives.

Starker on 27/8/2022 at 02:38

I don't really know exactly what the situation is in Russia, as I haven't been there in years and am likely never going back in my lifetime, but I know at least a couple of people who visit western sites from Russia and are very unlikely to be paid or unpaid agents.

There is a government blocklist, yes, and different internet providers try to block content via various means. But it's nowhere near the level of China... yet (though it has been moving closer recently) and the more savy / younger people have increasingly been using VPN and various tools like Lantern and Tor to try to remain anonymous and get around government firewalls.

Tocky on 27/8/2022 at 02:47

Well it's good to know the intelligent are able to get around the roadblocks the government has put up. I don't put Silentor in that camp though.

Pyrian on 27/8/2022 at 05:21

I don't know what it means, but the Russian cosplayers I follow resurfaced recently after several months.

nemyax on 27/8/2022 at 06:34

Like most things in Russia, these website blocking binges are half-arsed and just for show. It's the usual imitation of vigorous activity, as the saying here goes.

Cipheron on 27/8/2022 at 08:09

Some analysis of who Alexander Dugin's daughter actually was. She was a lot deeper in all of this stuff than I assumed from other mentions in the media:

(https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/darya-dugina-russia-disinformation-women-intl-cmd/index.html)

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... In one televised discussion before her death, she said the West needed to be "nourished" by Russia's war in Ukraine in order to "wake up" from its uneducated worldview, according to a clip posted online by BBC Monitoring.
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According to the US State Department, Dugina in 2020 became chief editor of United World International (UWI) -- an English and Turkish-language foreign affairs site created by the corporatized propaganda effort "Project Lakhta," which the department says used fictitious online personas to interfere in US elections.
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"The Kremlin propaganda machine has different target audiences. They have their own citizens ... (but) at the same time they need to find allies abroad," he added. "This is where Dugina comes in."

Facebook said it had removed UWI from the platform in September 2020, after it received information from the FBI about its activity on other parts of the web. "The people behind this activity attempted to conceal their identity and coordination," a Facebook statement said, adding that its probe had uncovered links to people previously involved with the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA), a notorious Russian troll farm known for meddling in the 2016 presidential election.
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Following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Dugina was also sanctioned by the US and the United Kingdom, along with her father, for her involvement with UWI. The UK government concluded that she was a "frequent and high-profile contributor of disinformation in relation to Ukraine and the Russian invasion of Ukraine on various online platforms," and therefore "provided support for and promoted policies or actions which destabilise Ukraine or undermine or threaten (its) territorial integrity, sovereignty or independence."

june gloom on 27/8/2022 at 19:13

Quote Posted by Tocky

And Jesus June Gloom why do you rush to ban people? Nobody is going to be propagandized with this easily refuted weak sauce. These aren't super intelligent KGB. These are farmed out trolls most likely. Maybe not as low as the Africans who read off a script on Facebook but certainly Macedonian teens or at best low paid Russians or Belarus entry level trolls. Putin has paid an army of keyboard warriors to spread his crap but give the folks here credit. Nobody with even a modicum of intelligence would fall for it and this place is far beyond just that. Relax.

If you want to make a place nicer, you get rid of the jerks. Nobody is immune to propaganda. I'm not even going to touch the absurdity of your last three sentences.

Starker on 28/8/2022 at 14:47

Enacting what to any sane person should have been a real "Are we the baddies?" moment, Russian ultranationalist Igor Mangushev talked about how the whole of Ukraine must be de-Ukrainianised while waving around a skull that he claimed was of an Ukrainian soldier: (https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1563753741697916928)

On his Telegram channel, he's saying similar charming things, such as, "We will burn your houses, kill your families, take away your children and raise them Russians."

Welcome to the "Russian world", I guess.

Silentor on 28/8/2022 at 18:48

Huh... High trolling happened!
Tocky for one exclamation questioned status of nemyax (how with so Americans, in principle, can be a real impact to US elections, don't understand)
But he protects me from being banned although lowering to afro-makedonian level.
I can imagine what nemyax was like for him to read it as an old-timer of russian Darkfate. And to those who, to put it mildly, did not support ork invasion in discussions on these theme.
More so, how agent of KGB (yes, we continue to speak in these terms) could lay out such an excellent and funny comparison?

A parallel can be drawn with those who dumped from "Rushka" and are now being snatched away for being Russian (such irony)

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Silentor (what a ridiculous name)

Silencer - tool on gun. Silentor - me with my blackjack.

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I don't put Silentor in that camp though

I'm not join to your camp, baron Ramirez. I'm lonely nomad.

Lowenz, interesting photo. Sadly, that such marginals have leaked into russian and ukrainian establishment.
(https://vk.com/wall-66283435_2075223) There and Arestovych exist (now consultant of jew Zelensky). 2005 in Russia, Eurasian Antiorange(!) Front:

Inline Image:

https://sun9-68.userapi.com/impg/BopTnYyofJGgd5A3KU7S8bz7YCY8AAJfpsUk6Q/YceKWtP3PHg.jpg?size=910x676&quality=96&sign=da2dd58b7c0ddc8c0f0fade2d8ef0fb3&type=album
Then they are all agents of Putin!

Starker, if it were possible to turn the stuffing of history backwards, would you mind if Yanukovych really suppressed the protests?

Starker on 29/8/2022 at 02:49

I don't know if he even had the ability to "really suppress" the protests, but it was his attempt at suppressing them that escalated the situation considerably:

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(https://web.archive.org/web/20140128023135/http://www.euronews.com/2013/12/13/ukrainian-opposition-uses-polls-to-bolster-cause/)

The main reason Ukrainians massed in Kyiv's Independence Square, was the violent police dispersal of a peaceful pro-EU demo and brutal beatings handed out on November 30.

Sociologists at the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, who questioned 1,037 Ukrainian protesters, concluded that the decision by the Ukrainian authorities to disperse the peaceful demo with force was a big mistake.

“When we asked people why they joined the rally, 70 percent said they came because they were angry with the dispersal of the peaceful pro-EU demo on November 30. Fifty four percent of people said it was the Ukrainian president's refusal to sign the Association Agreement with the EU, and the third reason for coming to Independence Square is a will to change life in Ukraine,” said Sociologist Yulia Ilchuk.

The violence apparently stirred Ukrainians from stoic acceptance of their plight to stand up and fight.

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The violent police attack was unprecedented. None had taken place during the Orange Revolution itself. Instead of breaking the protesters' will, it seems to have strengthened it.

As for if I would mind, of course I would. I'm pro-democracy and the right to protest is fundamental to any democratic system, which Yanukovych was clearly undermining: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-protest_laws_in_Ukraine)