Anarchic Fox on 17/7/2022 at 11:09
Well, global superiority in this area doesn't require sophistication, but rather masses and masses of people spreading the disinformation. And if there are enough motivated Russians spreading falsity to come to this obscure little forum, that indicates the number is quite high.
(Cipheron and Starker, please don't call me to task for generalizing off a sample size of, um, two.)
lowenz on 17/7/2022 at 11:15
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Achilles heel of Americans has always been their indomitable trust & optimism that everything will be fine if you just keep "doing the right thing", and how ludicrously easy it is to package the most abhorrent values as "the right thing" and get them to eat it whole, with all the fervor of a buoyant boyscout.
In one word "exceptionalism" and that's the thing russian elite (the so called "NeoNobility" that's the word they REALLY use) hates 'cause they're feel like the
legit heir of (holy) roman empire. It's why they want to "protect" Ukraine as a
SUBJECT (that's the word) from you. They reclaim the "fasces of civilization" (law and order!) in their austerity, and hate your optimism and see you as germans, being anglo-saxons (so "invaders" by definition since Roma times).
Dugin is really clear about that, "Moscow as Third Rome", "Washington as barbarians".
Putin is REALLY like a '800 era tsar, his mindset is the one of a "liberal" tsar (Alexander II is the perfect paragon). No slaves but obedience of the
SUBJECTS.
Damn Romanov, just watch how Putin uses Romanov (and Moscow) insignia literally everywhere.
lowenz on 17/7/2022 at 11:31
Our "dear" ruski member(s) surely know about this guy (a friend of Putin since youth): (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Patrushev)
Patrushev belongs to the siloviki of Putin's inner circle.[29][a]
In December 2000, on the anniversary of the founding of the Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka, an interview with him was published in a Russian national daily. In defence of the emerging trend of co-opting officers in the security and intelligence apparatus into high government posts, Patrushev noted that his FSB colleagues did not "work for money [...] [they] are, if you will, modern 'neo-nobility'." ("современные «неодворяне»")[30][31] The term "new nobility" gained currency afterwards, as in the eponymous book The New Nobility.[32][33]
Ben Noble, Associate Professor of Russian Politics at University College London, describes Patrushev as "the most hawkish hawk, thinking the West has been out to get Russia for years".[34] He was quoted as saying, "The Americans believe that we control [our natural resources] illegally and undeservedly because, in their view, we do not use them as they ought to be used."[9] Patrushev has referenced "Madeleine Albright's claim 'that neither the Far East nor Siberia belong to Russia.'" According to the New York Times, this remark can be traced back to a psychic employed by the FSB who claimed to have read the thoughts in Albright's mind while in a state of trance.[35][36]
Patrushev believes in various conspiracy theories and often gives interviews to state-controlled media in Russia.[24] He claimed that the West is seeking to reduce "the world's population in various ways," including creating "an empire of lies, involving the humiliation and destruction of Russia and other objectionable states."[24] Mark Galeotti, the expert in the field of Russian politics and security, said that Patrushev, one of Putin's closest advisers, is the "most dangerous man in Russia" because of his "paranoid conspiracy-driven mindset."
-> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silovik)
These circles area like american "secret societies"-based lobbies but more effective than any american lobby. 'cause they have no problem using actual violence as you can see well in Ukraine.
Izborsky (the one I've linked before) is another one.
(
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/russ.12106)
Addendum: Trump and US republicans mindless yesmen of the GOP were the perfect useful idiots to Russia. They can't even start to comprehend the damage they did to the West they "love so much"......
Silentor on 17/7/2022 at 16:47
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it's obvious to me that he is a Russian stooge.
Why, then, our next puppet by name Trump didn't release him. Only poor rappers in last day.
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Oddly enough, this thread demonstrates the one domain in which Russia possesses global superiority, namely its Internet disinformation campaigns.
Our highest achievement in the
Internet disinformation superiority is that Trump was seriously accused by an agent of Russia due to self fact of existence stupid Prigozhin's trolls. Simple "using of budget" in my country, not clever propaganda.
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I don't know if they're all that sophisticated or if Americans are just really vulnerable to it.
You are even don't imagine how our runet is toxic. Liberal schizoactivists real burn out brains.
Anarchic Fox on 17/7/2022 at 16:57
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Our highest achievement in the
Internet disinformation superiority is that Trump was seriously accused by an agent of Russia due to self fact of existence stupid Prigozhin's trolls. Simple "using of budget" in my country, not clever propaganda.
Your highest achievement in Internet disinformation superiority is that Trump was elected President.
Silentor on 17/7/2022 at 17:13
Quote Posted by Anarchic Fox
if there are enough motivated Russians spreading falsity to come to
this obscure little forum, that indicates the number is quite high.
Yes our kremlin's hands reached even to this obscured lockbox. :ebil:
Enemies everywhere... where have I heard this?
Mm... this is accusation to our propaganda that we are invented this paranoid frase.
Anarchic Fox on 17/7/2022 at 18:05
Yes, the United States produces propaganda. That is not a shocking revelation.
Russian interference with the 2016 election was documented in an FBI report. There are entire damn (
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections) websites about it. That's not the most reliable of the sites, just the first Google brings up. And while the US government produces propaganda, the only part of the government that has degenerated into outright lies (so far) was Trump and his cronies.
I have been successfully trolled by someone who registered this month and barely speaks English. Time to bow out. :tsktsk:
lowenz on 17/7/2022 at 18:22
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*CONSERVATIVE* schizoactivists real burn out brains.
Yeah yeah, like the ones on RT or Sputnik saying Sassoli was a pedophile (really the same
reductio ad pedophilum over and over again) 'cause he......smiled. Normal men are not gentle so of course he's a pedophile. Russian-correctly syllogism: liberal + gentle = pedophile.
Or the happy conspiracy theorists saying "killed by the vaccine"......he had a blood cancer since 15 years at least.
Please, stop. You're simply out of this world and one day you'll realize it.
lowenz on 17/7/2022 at 18:33
Quote Posted by Silentor
Yes our kremlin's hands reached even to this obscured lockbox.
Or simply the average man cognitive capabilities?
Just remember that italian *REAL FASCISTS* are fighting as foreign fighters along your "glorious" Red Army "
against devilish NATO". Surely Trotzky would be proud of this......
Silentor on 17/7/2022 at 18:34
Quote Posted by lowenz
Addendum: Trump and US republicans mindless yesmen of the GOP were the perfect useful idiots to Russia. They can't even start to comprehend the damage they did to the West they "love so much"......
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Your highest achievement in Internet disinformation superiority is that Trump was elected President.
How do you differ from the above example from Starker about Alex Jones? Only with a different polarity.
Main achievement of Trump that he was able to become some free against general line.
But you are given freedom only after one white bastard
unbreathed one black nigger and only that elected cruel "democratic"
hawk who with Nuland organized the overthrow of the government in Ukraine... sorry,
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Our "dear" ruski member(s) surely know about this guy (Patrushev)
, I could name you also in honor of western :p
All security forces have their own quirks, but if learned history of CIA it's sipmle terroristic secta.
But in movies nails torn out only agents of KGB.
