Silentor on 11/7/2022 at 00:22
For balance:
One day in Donetsk - 1 girl
One day in Makeevka (near Donetsk) -3 childs in children's playground
But "fascism in Ukraine not exist"@, only in <Putin's fascist Russia>
Viewpoint of Westworld's layman and our russians 2% liberastians:
Ukrohobbits lived in paradise Sheer :angel: given to them not by Ekaterina II, not by bolsheviks... by Allah!!!
But suddenly... RushkoMordor doing that invasion :devil:
<after 8 years of poverty and unspeakable corruption under the Kremlin rule the whole city [Donetsk] is basically a prisoner of war.>
All unspeakable corrupted Ukraine - prisoner of geopolitical ambitions all that decades.
sorry for my uggly english
lowenz on 11/7/2022 at 00:25
You see "geopolitical" Cold War era fantasies where there's only local and particular interests. Kremlin oligarchs vs "not Kremlin" oligarchs (like the ones behind Zelensky -> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi#Confrontation_with_Putin)).
There's NO "NATO" (USA, NATO is a defence alliance) powerplay in Ukraine, there's nothing of strategic interest in Ukraine (nor in Russia, nuclear warheads apart) for the future.
Why not simply acknowledge that the Black Sea coast is strategically important for purely *MILITARY* reasons and Russia simply must create some elegant excuses to control it without any ukrainian interlopers? All the Donbass "liberation" idea is nothing more than an excuse, Russia could just grant to any Donbass inhabitant the russian passport without any military occupation and offer to any "russian" Donbass inhabitant a relocation in Kursk region.
Now the relocation will be the same but forced "thanks" to the
special disruptive invitation......
"Fascism" in the strict sense needs a
catholic humus. You can have fascism in Poland, not in orthodox nor neopagan Ukraine. And proper "Nazism" is totally incompatible with a jew president. Ukrainian nationalists are simply nationalists in the classic '800 sense: get out of the russian emp....authoritarian "family" and create a state based on national identity. Is it a "fake" identity? Well, ALL "national identities" are ethnically fake since 2000 years in Europe. But somehow that kind of
ideology is important to people so Lenin understood and it's why we got USSR and not just "Communist Russia").
Still Russia is not officially @war but you can go in prison just saying "war".....it doesn't bode well for you guys. Maybe just avoid a tyrant with tsarist ambitions who lies to himself too about them.....you know,
ideology as Marx said.
lowenz on 11/7/2022 at 01:09
Quote Posted by Silentor
russians 2% liberastians
Oh well, the
reductio ad pedophilum is so stalinist.......
Starker on 11/7/2022 at 02:19
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For balance:
This is just one tiny seed in the vast, vast field that is currently being planted, just like it happened in the forest of Katyn and many other places.
Silentor on 11/7/2022 at 17:57
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This is just one tiny seed in the vast, vast field that is currently being planted, just like it happened in the forest of Katyn and many other places.
I understand, that you don't intend to go to the stage of accepting that the Ukrainian troops are not angels?
But mentioned Katyn - shame page in russo-polish relations. It's revenge of Stalin (georgian/grusinian/sakartvelo) for his defeat 20 years before.
Starker on 11/7/2022 at 18:38
And likewise this invasion will shape Ukrainian-Russian relations for generations to come.
In a war there are no angels, but I don't see the Ukrainian army bombing hospitals, super markets and train stations in Russia.
Silentor on 11/7/2022 at 19:16
To Lowenz:
Oh, my Trickster!
Cliché, cliché, cliché :laff:
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USA, NATO is a defence alliance
You are seriously? Yours westbrains washed not worse our ZomboBoxTv.
Ok, let's drooled fingers and leafing through our folios.
Oh, ye… so it's written there: NATO is a defence alliance.
Then going to go, nothing here to see!
Stop, but from who defence? Why NATO not gone to Soviet Union?
Money, money, money? Yes and Russia as bugaboo.
All thirty years placed Chekhov's guns.
What we next reading in our enciclopedia: Fascism it's
fascio on catholic humus.
Arghhh… how dare these Russians interpret fascism in the broadest sense of the word.
Sit down please, I will say even more monstrous: librofascism.
What the liberals have been doing in the last years, my neologism is appropriate (for balance, epic video to Putin's support in Ekaterinburg also fascistic in large interpretation).
In Ukraine systemic librofascists and banderofascists doing all events. Some procent elite with emperian ambitions. You heard right, emperian ambitions from ukranian establishment instead of living according to historicity.
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Why not simply acknowledge that the Black Sea coast is strategically important for purely *MILITARY* reasons and Russia simply must create some elegant excuses to control it without any ukrainian interlopers? All the Donbass "liberation" idea is nothing more than an excuse
For this: "Крым наш" (Crimea it's our)
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Russia could just grant to any Donbass inhabitant the russian passport without any military occupation and offer to any "russian" Donbass inhabitant a relocation in Kursk region
:wot: Why inhabitants of Donetsk must going to Kursk? It was not even Novorossia but another subject of Tsaristic Empire – Voysko Donskoe and should be logged in future Rostov oblast'(state). But by soul kindness Lenin split coal basin between two republic and even on 2 years include Taganrog (homeland of lovely Chekhov).
South and East of Ukraine, south of Russia it's one mentality. Therefore Golodomor (Great Femine) it's not only about ukranians (and don't forget million in Kazakhstan)
Reality is not political map in one color painting. Ban russian language? Therefore and happened Donbass (not only due ortodox fanatics)
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get out of the russian emp....authoritarian "family" and create a state based on national identity. Is it a "fake" identity?
Half-fake identity. To the natural divergence of east slavic languages was added austro-hungarian influence. So even Shevchenko didn't understand his reissues.
Then Stalin forced ukrainisation of Novorossia (from Odessa to Kharkov).
And realized Bandera's dream attached L'viv.
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"Nazism" is totally incompatible with a jew president
Acid to brain. :eww:
The only that argument? Psychoforced and forced.
All nazi-elite weren't aryan guys. Even Lavrov hinted about it (but Putin love Israel and apologized for him)
I'm not stalinist, even conversely antistalinist.
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reductio ad pedophilum
Tua carmine opus non est in me, Harry Potter :cool:
lowenz on 11/7/2022 at 19:30
Quote Posted by Silentor
I understand, that you don't intend to go to the stage of accepting that the Ukrainian troops are not angels?
Who's the idiot thinking so? But let's just say that some people in Donbass were so brainwashed that they don't even know that "fascist-named" BACHMUT is the *original name* of the city (
under Lenin too!), and not "Artemivs'k".
And so for MANY other things Donbass people believe are "fascist deeds".....it's like Donbass is really another Stalin-era Transnistria (and they don't have any clues about how URSS changed since Lenin's death, just in the same way Russian Federation does today).
lowenz on 11/7/2022 at 19:43
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Acid to brain. :eww:
The only that argument? Psychoforced and forced.
All nazi-elite weren't aryan guys. Even Lavrov hinted about it (but Putin love Israel and apologized for him)
It's not the "only" argument, it's just IMPOSSIBLE for a real nazi to support a SINGLE jewish person in ANY position of power. It's just hardwired in the core values of Nazism, it's not "optional". It's like pretending to have a solar system without a star.
GENERAL PLAT OST is the argument: (
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost) (=enslave ukrainians AND russian, there's no difference for a real nazi)
All nazi "elites" (elites like the ones now in Kremlin.....) were austrians/germans (and some helvetic italians). "Aryan archetype" was just propaganda.
Lavrov is so ignorant I don't even know how to start talking about that guy.
lowenz on 11/7/2022 at 19:50
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I'm not stalinist, even conversely antistalinist.
If you don't see the obvious analogies between Stalin URSS and Putin "Russian Federation" I can't help. Maybe an unhappy future - you can't beat "the West" in its own game, the "market" - will show you better than my words, when everything in Russia will be "Made in China".....
your public debt too.
