lowenz on 20/4/2022 at 21:28
Bomb on Azovstal and parade in Mariupol like Berlin (LOL, there's no *REAL* NAZI in Ukraine, and they got destroyed a city they did come to "protect" from some people less nazi than russian Wagner Group).
Starker on 21/4/2022 at 00:01
Quote Posted by Cipheron
So, what do people think?
Russia tries some dirty fighting, and kamikazees thousands more of it's guys to try and swiftly topple the Ukrainians?
Or they drop the mother of all bombs on Kyiv and declare "victory" that way?
Or they just lie about it and have their parade pretending they already won?
If Russia had working MOABs, I think they would have used them already. They haven't shown the slightest hesitation in committing war crimes otherwise. But many other terrible weapons, definitely.
Russia doesn't need to kamikaze their own guys right now -- that's what the Wagner Group and thousands of cheap mercenaries from Syria and other places are for, used mostly as infantry cannon fodder without any other support.
Also, they have been lying from the beginning and pretending everything's is fine, basically, so whatever happens outside of an attack on Russian territory big enough that they can't sweep under the rug, they will just pretend that they are winning. The thing is, though... there's officially no war, so there can officially be no victory. I watched a portion of a Russian state TV program where they talked about the unfortunate accident of the Moskva sinking due to a combination of an accident and stormy weather and the need to avenge the accident and all the sailors, who are all alive and well and were evacuated without any problems, except for the sinking of the ship, of course, which is a terrible.... accident... and must not be forgiven.
Anyway, I recently chanced upon a video where an Australian economic analyst takes a stab looking at the costs of waging war in Ukraine:
[video=youtube;aEpk_yGjn0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEpk_yGjn0E[/video]
lowenz on 21/4/2022 at 06:00
Problem is: russians of course know it's ALL A LIE, but are they "willingly complicit" and "willingly silent" (I can't find the exact english words, here in Italy we use dedicated terms related to the particular social context of mafia-driven regions) about this?
The REAL problem after Putin's death is that "willingly".
Because here in Italy the mafia problem is unsolvable 'cause of people and to me Russia seems a big Sicily with nukes.
Moskva sinking due to a combination of an accident and stormy weather and the need to avenge the accident and all the sailors, who are all alive and well and were evacuated without any problems, except for the sinking of the ship, of course, which is a terrible.... accident... and must not be forgiven.
Moskva+2 nuclear wearheads possibly present on the ship = 1 billion $ sunken for NOTHING, just for the show (there's no war there.....)
Hasan3434 on 21/4/2022 at 21:46
I hope it all ends soon. innocent people get hurt.
lowenz on 21/4/2022 at 21:55
First post on TTLG in this thread? Very normal.
Not-innocent people NEVER get hurt, unless Hammer of Dawn mode
Cipheron on 26/4/2022 at 05:16
Jesus. The Russians have put out some propaganda claiming they are photos of a haul from a foiled Ukrainian Nazi terrorist plot.
Buckle up. This gets GOOD.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/25/putin-claims-fsb-foiled-western-plot-to-kill-pro-kremlin-journalist)
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/25/russias-claim-foiled-western-plot-kill-pro-putin-journalist/)
1) First they were caught with a BRIGHT RED WWII Nazi flag t-shirt. Exactly what all Neo-Nazis wear when they're infiltrating another nation to carry out an assassination. It also looks creased like it would if it was never worn.
2) there's a wig for disguise. but it's a fucking shade of green, like you'd get in a dollar-store party shop. He would have looked very inconspicuous in his bright red swastika t-shirt and long greenish blonde hair.
3) They had passports, but the signatures were unclear. LITERALLY "unclear". As in they were told to make the signatures unclear but wrote "Unclear".
4) They had 3 sims.
EXCEPT THEY ACCIDENTALLY GOT THREE PACKS FROM THE SIMS 3 video game, didn't they? Instead of sim cards.Starker on 26/4/2022 at 06:34
Quote Posted by Cipheron
3) They had passports, but the signatures were unclear. LITERALLY "unclear". As in they were told to make the signatures unclear but wrote "Unclear".
It's not the passports, it's the book with a dedication in it that was signed by "Signature Illegible". And yes, that's literally what's written there.
Inline Image:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2022/04/25/TELEMMGLPICT000293950735_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqvAxBzQt3PUdWagt7QmuukeToEVBmJoAHC8T6IgwbspY.jpegFrom Russian point of view, of course it's only natural that terrorists infiltrating another country would pick a journalist as their target. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia said next that the terrorists were also trying to kill a human rights activist, poison a critic of the government, and jail opposition leaders for decades on trumped-up charges.
Pyrian on 26/4/2022 at 06:34
Is this "malicious compliance"? This really smells of some guys effing around rather than simple incompetence. I know, I know, never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence, but come on, they had to have known.
Starker on 26/4/2022 at 06:45
I don't think the Russian security apparatus appreciates people getting cheeky like that. Seems more likely that someone was copying the text literally word for word, perhaps even without knowing what it was for or that it was going to be shown on television.
Cipheron on 26/4/2022 at 07:11
Quote Posted by Starker
I don't think the Russian security apparatus appreciates people getting cheeky like that. Seems more likely that someone was copying the text literally word for word, perhaps even without knowing what it was for or that it was going to be shown on television.
Another symptom of that same issue plaguing their army then?
Lack of initiative, underlings kept in the dark about what's going on, the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, and so on.
So maybe people have put that preposterous load of stuff together and nobody dared question it even if they thought something was off, because to do so would be to question the orders, and that's not on in Russia.
It actually makes you wonder about the people on the higher ranks who actually ordered this made. For example if some colonel ordered that put together and then when it came back and wasn't what was expected, maybe even he was too scared to turn around and correct it, because of the perceived failure.
