lowenz on 24/2/2022 at 22:47
Bannon is the definition of the useful idiot 2.0
Jashin on 25/2/2022 at 00:43
Quote Posted by Aja
Can you suggest some better sources? I want to get informed.
Well, you can watch (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE) John Mearsheimer's talk on the leadup to the current situation in Ukraine. It was posted just 2 days ago. This guy is a foreign policy realist, that is to say that he believes the strong makes the rules, and the weak has to live with it (which is basically how US behaves in the world). There are two principal camps in the US foreign policy group. He is telling all this truth because he falls into the camp that wants to rehabilitate and pull Russia into an Anti-China coalition, but to do that US has to make concessions involving allowing Russia to further integrate with Western Europe. The end result is the obsolescence of NATO and an Europe independent from US that will inevitably challenge US hegemony. Well, his camp lost to the camp that wants to keep Europe under control while trying to contain China at the same time. The war with China has already been waging for a while now in areas of trade, tech, finance, diplomacy, and of course propaganda; all that fake news involving human rights, genocide, etc. is a part of the "new cold war."
For an average person to know the world as it exists at the top leadership level, the real world basically, is not easy. If you really want to get informed, study how the US monetary system works and how it cycles money through the banks, the corps, congress, etc. The wealth transference upwards is unprecedented, which is fueling all that talk of end-stage capitalism you probably heard recently in mainstream media. But of course they will never in a million years tell you the real reason.
Tocky on 25/2/2022 at 00:58
Quote Posted by Azaran
Don't worry, the US and UN are preparing a VERY angry letter. That'll show Russia
Hmmm sanctions or WWIII... so hard to decide. You convinced me. Nuclear winter it is.
How about expel them from Swift and sanction Putin personally. Their stock market is down by 45%. Let's keep it that way.
Jason Moyer on 25/2/2022 at 02:48
Hm, to believe what I see on BBC News or Russian social media propaganda. I am so conflicted.
Azaran on 25/2/2022 at 04:04
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Hm, to believe what I see on BBC News or Russian social media propaganda. I am so conflicted.
The media won't lie directly. They use selective reporting; discuss some of the facts, while leaving out others that might show a different narrative. That's what you need to watch out for. And sadly, it's not something you can control or regulate. That's why most of them do it and get away with it
Pyrian on 25/2/2022 at 04:52
Russia, China, and Trump for that matter, have no such qualms.
Jason Moyer on 25/2/2022 at 06:18
Blaming the west for Russia's invasion of Ukraine is on par with blaming Russia for the US/European invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. If there had been a strong leader in Russia in 01 or 03 both wars could have been avoided m i rite.
Jashin on 25/2/2022 at 07:27
Quote Posted by Azaran
The media won't lie directly. They use selective reporting; discuss some of the facts, while leaving out others that might show a different narrative. That's what you need to watch out for. And sadly, it's not something you can control or regulate. That's why most of them do it and get away with it
Of course they lie. It's just more obvious in foreign news reporting.
When I realized they not only lie, but they make boldface lies that are repeated a thousand times across government-funded medias and NGOs, citing each other, cross-referencing each other, promoting narratives they predetermine to manufacture consent in the populace, that was a through-the-looking-glass moment for me. Intelligence also uses news clearinghouses like AP, Reuters, and a French one I forget the name of, to disseminate their narratives, and then mainstream media, overwhelmingly privately-owned, picks them up and repeats them. State media like UK's BBC will say/not say whatever the establishment wants, although this is pretty typical.
There's even a desire to want to believe lies on the part of the populace itself. The stuff they accuse China of works just fine on rightwing conservatives, but it works especially well on center-rightists like US Democrats, because concerning the mistreatment of minority, slavery, genocide, it's a projection of real American history, and there's a strong desire to want to displace that guilt onto a third party as hatred. A huge uptick of hate crime against Asian Americans followed the Anti-China propaganda. Biden condemned it on TV while approving more government funding for fake news on China. You can look this up yourself, 300 million per year for 5 years in one bill, and then an additional 500 million in another. That's not including the billions already being spent on USAGM.
Trump is yet another interesting twist. He didn't invent fake news, but as a part of the privileged class, he knows all about it. By simply pointing out the existence of fake news, he neutralizes whatever accusation his opponent throws up due to the increasing lack of public trust in institutions. The guy's an innovator! And once it's been done there will be imitators.