henke on 24/2/2022 at 18:42
Cool, done! Donated the income from sales of my game in Russia for the past 3 months. Figure that's some kinda karmic justice.
Jashin on 24/2/2022 at 19:41
Going through this thread, it's interesting how much parroting of the MSM there is (linking BBC, cmon) and how much people assume that history started yesterday. I may have over-estimated this place, I assumed people were at least a bit more aware.
This attack has been fermenting since 1999, 2004, and most importantly 2014 with the eastward expansion of NATO. Ukraine is of vital strategic importance to Russia, to US it's not. 2014 Maidan basically guaranteed Ukraine's imminent fate as the NATO spear-tip on the border of Russia. This is equivalent to Cuban Missile Crisis under the Monroe Doctrine, but worse, as it sits on the historical invasion corridor into Russia. Putin is moving to blunt the spear-tip. What happens next is still fluid but Putin is too smart to, even with Ukrainian military being circa 1980s quality, he won't go deep into Ukraine. Whitehouse will get what they want, which is the excuse to shut down Russian economic integration with EU. It will hurt Russia but their border will be secure with the creation of a buffer in Eastern Ukraine. The only real loser in all this is Ukraine, which has been a willing pawn in the fight between geopolitical elephants.
lowenz on 24/2/2022 at 20:21
"The only real loser in all this is Ukraine, which has been a willing pawn in the fight between geopolitical elephants."
Hope it will not another Poland.....
Aja on 24/2/2022 at 20:24
Quote Posted by Jashin
Going through this thread, it's interesting how much parroting of the MSM there is (linking BBC, cmon) and how much people assume that history started yesterday. I may have over-estimated this place, I assumed people were at least a bit more aware.
Can you suggest some better sources? I want to get informed.
SD on 24/2/2022 at 20:26
Honestly pleasantly surprised that it took until post #12 for NATO to be blamed for Putin's insane desire to recreate the USSR.
Nameless Voice on 24/2/2022 at 20:41
I really wouldn't be comfortable donating to
any armed forces, but especially not one that's meant to be infamous for employing (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion) literal neo-Nazis, complete with swastikas.
I also feel like I really don't understand this conflict. So much propaganda and misinformation going around from all sides. Putin is a psychopath, the Ukrainian government seems to be full of fascists, the USA and UK have been fanning the flames of war for their own agenda... just feels like all the governments involved are some level of evil, though the Russians are the worst because they actually started the war (something I naively didn't think they'd actually
do.)
The only thing I know for sure is that the people who are going to suffer the most are the innocent civilians who had nothing to do with starting the war.
lowenz on 24/2/2022 at 21:13
Quote Posted by SD
Honestly pleasantly surprised that it took until post #12 for NATO to be blamed for Putin's insane desire to recreate the USSR.
It's no USSR, it's the Russian Federation before the '54 and the Kruschev "donation" of Donbass to Ukraine.
SD on 24/2/2022 at 21:21
The "Country that elected a Jewish president with 73% of the vote are a bunch of Nazis" argument doesn't sound any more persuasive here than it did when Putin used it as a pretext for the invasion.
Quote Posted by lowenz
It's no USSR, it's the Russian Federation before the '54 and the Kruschev "donation" of Donbass to Ukraine.
Well, I'm lazy and "USSR" is quicker to type than all of that.
Tocky on 24/2/2022 at 21:22
Quote Posted by SD
Honestly pleasantly surprised that it took until post #12 for NATO to be blamed for Putin's insane desire to recreate the USSR.
Russia is farming out it's low level operative work and sometimes they are a bit slow. Give them a break. It's a busy time for them.
Kolya on 24/2/2022 at 21:28
As Tolstoy said...
[video=youtube;mn91L9goKfQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn91L9goKfQ[/video]