Russia invades Ukraine

Nicker on 31/5/2025 at 16:18

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If Ukrainian nationalism is normal, Russian nationalism is bad (German?)),

You are so close to an actual understanding, it is almost painful.

National pride and the willingness to protect your country from aggressors is normal. That isn't nationalism as you intend the word.

Believing that your nation is better than others and that you have a natural (nationalistic) right to murder its people, destroy its culture, steal its wealth, obliterate its infrastructure, and occupy its land (i.e. your pal Vlad "The Imposter" Putin) is not normal or good.

Can you tell the difference now? Need more examples?

lowenz on 31/5/2025 at 20:24

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Balanced development according to such historicity?

Balancing the risk of an USSR with a cultural russian hegemony, so NOT something communist-wise.
There's no cultural hegemony of a nation over the other in a communist society framework.....and Lenin did always push for this neutrality.

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If Ukrainian nationalism is normal, Russian nationalism is bad (German?))

-> Like capitalism, nationalism sometimes can be useful but NOT in its imperial and (cripto)suprematist form

Who's reclaiming (with the force) the "imperial" lands and the "imperial" right (by divine grace) to command?

Silentor on 1/6/2025 at 13:01

Western elites have cultivated national elites that are beneficial to themselves, which correspond precisely to the negative understanding of the term nationalism. With the belief that their nation is better than others. Who don't care about the "paradise on earth" that was formed without the help of filthy democracies and filthy religions (if the Soviet "friendship of peoples" wasn't 100% realized, then it didn't exist?).
Who will go on provocations under a false flag (I can tell you are about the January 15th shelling in Donbas).
Clogging up the information field with his schizo and then cold-blooded mathematical "solution of questions".
It was ridiculous to hear how the Kremlebots had taken over the US Internet and were able to change something in the voting.
You are stupid liberal nozzles that are being used. You are no smarter than our "wadding hamsters". And Putin, who imagined himself, decided to cut the Gordian knot by entering into fully prepared traps. Such an implementation only confirms all the paradigms prepared in advance for Russia.

This is not a completely innocent Shire, which for some reason Mordor wanted to attack, as you imagine it.

This is a Geopolitics in which no one cares about the Serbs in the Yugoslav conflict (because they're Orthodox), the inhabitants of the southeast of Ukraine (especially that they are post-Soviet), and even more so those who are ready to defend their country from aggressors. We don't care how many people died who were driven into targeted positions. But there are no calculations at all on the other side. Why, because they're fighting over mythical panties.

You supported the bloody coup (oh, oh, the revolution of dignity, of course) in February 14th to join the ultimatum of the European Union against, essentially nothing, Customs Union (I was looking into this issue, I was shocked by this, what are the requirements from the EU, essentially an analogue of the USSR, and the terms of the Customs Union, which neither kind of "Taiga").
With imperial grace, you have changed power and are making innocent eyes. Well, Putin decided to implement his imperialism in response. Be indignant further.

Starker on 1/6/2025 at 22:29

The difference between the EU and USSR is that countries have been lining up to join the EU while countries couldn't run fast enough to get away from the USSR when they finally could. Nobody is forcing countries to be in the EU while Russia sent tanks when their "friends" as much as indicated they would not like to be in that "friendly" union any more. Moreover, I don't see the EU behaving anything like the USSR -- there are no deportations, no executions, there is no GULAG where political prisoners rot by the millions.

Meanwhile, Russia is still behaving quite a bit like it has been during the USSR times. Every night Ukrainian children are going to sleep not knowing whether they are going to wake up the next day, as Russia continuously bombards Ukrainian cities with missiles and drones, hitting hospitals, apartment buildings, children's playgrounds, you name it. No amount of bullshitting about geopolitics this or conspiracy theory that is going to change the fact that Russia is committing atrocities in Ukraine right now at the very moment. And Ukraine is going to remember it for a long, long time.

Starker on 2/6/2025 at 00:29

As Russia continues to hit trolley busses with missiles and dronedrop grenades on babushkas, Ukraine just wiped out one third of Russia's strategic nuclear bombing fleet:

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(https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-stages-major-attack-russian-aircraft-with-drones-security-official-says-2025-06-01/)

Ukrainian secret services were able to attack strategic bomber aircraft at Russian air bases on Sunday by hiding explosive-laden drones inside the roofs of wooden sheds, according to a Ukrainian security official and images posted online.

Ukraine's domestic security agency, the SBU, acknowledged that it carried out the operation, codenamed "Spider's Web" and said it had caused considerable damage.

The sheds were loaded onto trucks that were driven to the perimeter of the air bases. The roof panels of the sheds were lifted off by a remotely-activated mechanism, allowing the drones to fly out and begin their attack, the official said.

The security official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said strikes were conducted on Sunday on four air bases, and that 41 Russian warplanes were hit.

An SBU statement posted on the Telegram messaging app estimated the damage caused by the assaults at $7 billion.

"Thirty-four percent of strategic cruise missile carriers at the main airfields of the Russian Federation were hit," the SBU said on the Telegram messaging app.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, writing on Telegram, expressed delight at the "absolutely brilliant outcome".
"And an outcome produced by Ukraine independently," he wrote, noting that the operation had taken more than a year and a half to prepare. "This is our longest-range operation."

Speaking shortly afterwards in his nightly video address, the president noted that 117 drones had been used to attack the Russian bases and that Russian forces suffered "very tangible losses, and justifiably so".

Zelenskiy said the SBU had set up a nerve centre for the operation right next to a regional office of Russia's FSB intelligence service. All operatives taking part had been brought out of Russia "on the eve of the operation", he said.[...]

Russia calls this a "terrorist attack" while at the same time launching hundreds of drones on Ukrainian cities that overwhelmingly target civilians and civilian objects.

Silentor on 2/6/2025 at 09:59

Starker

Throughout the Soviet period, the Ukrainian elite was strong and received preferences.
Therefore, I say again, it is ridiculous to hear about the "prison of nations" (the Baltic States are a specific conversation). Moscow invested in all the republics.
The EU is draining resources and suppressing with its uniformity. A virtual GULAG.

Ukrainian nationalism is like studying history from the Old Testament. It will give the impression that everything revolves around Jews. Both the bad and the good. Basically, of course, everyone just dreams of creating the machinations of this God-chosen nation.

Independence is when alliances are created that represent superstructures, rather than fusion into some kind of organism (as in the movie "The Blob").

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outcome produced by Ukraine independently

Ha!
Putin's rule is neither this nor that, insofar as. And his attempt at geopolitics resulted in the same thing. And with a forceful decision.
For the cynical elites of the Western world, this turned out to be a godsend. "Who is mister Putin?"

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dronedrop grenades on babushkas

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To remind you that in May of the 21st, a bomb was dropped on the boy. And it was not a "crucified boy," as liberal propaganda immediately tried to gloss over this tragedy with that fiction.

Starker on 2/6/2025 at 11:57

The EU does not suppress any nation to anywhere close to the extent Russia suppressed their "friends" in the USSR. I have no idea about the history of Ukraine, nor do I particularly care, but I do know Soviet history because I lived it. Deportations and killings were just a part of it, the other part was the constant ideological suppression. The EU does not put you in prison because you published a poem in your language that contained "the wrong thought". The EU does not stop you from going to university because you didn't wear a red necktie in school. The EU doesn't require you to write your papers in one specific language that is a foreign language for you. The EU doesn't have agents following you around and prevent any career advancement or better job options for you just because of who your parents were. The EU does not have to enforce its policies on the pain of death. The EU in and of itself has no power other than that which is delegated to it by its members. Any obligations that the members have are freely taken by the members.

As for draining resources, the EU has become a massive powerhouse to rival the superpowers of the world largely thanks to its single market and erasure of trade barriers. My country has thrived in the EU in a way it never did in the USSR. Any "investment" from Russia was nothing compared to the damage done to my country's economy with the idiotic central planning and the destruction of previously economically prosperous businesses that were run into the ground under the management of the state. Before the occupation, we were ahead of Finland economically, after the occupation ended, our GDP was a fraction in the single digits of what the Finns had. Russia destroyed my country and ran it into the ground so badly we are still climbing out of it 35 years later.

Russia constantly attacks civilians in Ukraine, every single day. In addition, Russia uses double-tapping, striking the same place a short time after to kill medics and rescue workers. But when Ukraine attacks Russia's military planes and oil refineries, then Russia cries and whines about "terror attacks". There is simply no comparison between what Ukraine does in Russia and what Russia does in Ukraine.

heywood on 2/6/2025 at 12:34

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EU membership is voluntary. That's the main thing that matters here.
And if EU membership were so awful, Russia wouldn't need to invade countries to stop them from joining.

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Ukrainian nationalism is like studying history from the Old Testament. It will give the impression that everything revolves around Jews. Both the bad and the good. Basically, of course, everyone just dreams of creating the machinations of this God-chosen nation.

Independence is when alliances are created that represent superstructures, rather than fusion into some kind of organism (as in the movie "The Blob").

Independence is when the people who live in a region decide they want to govern themselves.

Starker on 2/6/2025 at 12:45

As an example, (https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/a-hrc-59-crp2-en.pdf) here's a recent report on the human safari in Kherson, a "Russian city" full of Russian speakers:

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(https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/05/un-commission-concludes-russian-armed-forces-drone-attacks-against-civilians)

Russian armed forces have committed murder of civilians as crimes against humanity using drones, concludes the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine in a new report.

From July 2024, Russian forces have recurrently killed and injured civilians in an area stretching over more than 100 kilometres along the right bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Province. The drone attacks have been widespread, systematic and conducted as part of a coordinated state policy, the report said.

The attacks followed a regular pattern and the same modus operandi, demonstrating that they were planned, directed, and organized. There is no information suggesting that Russian military and civilian authorities have taken any steps to prevent or stop the commission of the crimes.

Nearly 150 civilians have been killed and hundreds more injured as a result of the drone attacks in Kherson city and 16 localities in the Ukrainian-controlled areas, according to official sources. Victims were men, women, and children, mostly men. Civilians were targeted in various circumstances, as they stepped out to carry out their daily activities whether on foot or in any type of vehicle.

The drone operators used video feeds transmitted in real time by the cameras embedded in the drones, focused on targets that were visibly civilian, and dropped explosives on them. Hundreds of these video feeds have been regularly disseminated on Russian Telegram channels, some of them with thousands of subscribers, displaying the crimes, as well as text posts announcing further attacks.

Ambulances, which have special protection under international law, have been targeted and struck by drones, so as to prevent them from reaching victims who had been previously attacked. Some of these victims have died as a consequence of not being moved to a medical facility in time. A 45-year-old man from Stanislav village recounted that in November 2024, a drone dropped an explosive near him as he was riding a moped, badly injuring his leg. An ambulance arrived, and while he was receiving first aid, a drone dropped two explosives on the ambulance.

The use of drones to target civilians and civilian objects is a violation of the fundamental principle of international humanitarian law, according to which attacks may only be directed at military objects. The evidence collected leaves no doubt that the perpetrators intended to carry out these acts. The Commission therefore concludes that Russian armed forces perpetrated the war crime of intentionally directing attacks against civilians in Kherson Province. It also finds that posting videos of civilians being killed and injured amounts to the war crime of outrages upon personal dignity.[...]

Just a couple examples from the report:

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(https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/a-hrc-59-crp2-en.pdf)

A 23-year-old-woman stated that in September 2024, she was biking from Antonivka settlement to the centre of Kherson city and noticed a drone following her. She tried to escape, but the drone dropped an explosive in her proximity, injuring her leg. A video of the attack was posted on a Telegram channel with the text, “[...] This individual has been eliminated with precision. [...]” It further stated that the person was “for now” severely injured, yet the rescue services were not allowed to approach, with a smiley face.

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(https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/a-hrc-59-crp2-en.pdf)

Drones were also used to target public transport, including buses, minibuses, and taxis, which led to civilian deaths and injuries. Footage of such attacks has been disseminated on Telegram channels, often with the text, “Any transport in the red zone will be considered a legitimate target” (see similarly para. 27).

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The Commission has examined and geolocated other videos, disseminated by Russian Telegram channels, of drone attacks targeting passenger buses as they were moving. For instance, in September 2024, a Telegram channel released a video showing a drone dropping an explosive that detonated near the front right side of a bus. It came with the text, “Our hunters have been working since early morning”. In October 2024, the same channel posted a video of a drone releasing an explosive on a bus and noted, “Today another smart guy decided to slip through on a bus near the hunters. Target hit”. In November 2024, a Telegram channel posted a video of a drone dropping an explosive hitting the middle of the roof of a bus. In January 2025, another video shows a drone releasing an explosive on a bus.

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(https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/a-hrc-59-crp2-en.pdf)

A 50-year-old woman from Veletenske village stated that in October 2024, after she had been injured during the shelling of her neighbourhood and was losing a lot of blood, an ambulance came but was unable to help her as it had been hit by a drone. A second ambulance arrived later. She then saw one more drone that flew above her. It dropped an explosive near her and missed and dropped another explosive on the front of the ambulance, which caught fire. The woman saw how a nurse managed to escape, but the driver burnt in the ambulance.

Not only are the Russians committing these atrocities, they are openly posting videos of the attacks laughing about the victims. They are proud of what they are doing.

taffernicus on 2/6/2025 at 13:34

Quote Posted by Starker

As Russia continues to hit trolley busses with missiles and dronedrop grenades on babushkas, Ukraine just wiped out one third of Russia's strategic nuclear bombing fleet:

Russia calls this a "terrorist attack" while at the same time launching hundreds of drones on Ukrainian cities that overwhelmingly target civilians and civilian objects.

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https://i.imgur.com/H1UEJsE.png

img credit to u/theCatvrix on reddit

joke aside, russia also did a counter attack :

(https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/06/01/ukrainian-ground-forces-commander-resigns-after-russian-strike-on-training-ground_6741898_4.html) Ukrainian ground forces commander resigns after Russian strike on training ground, they also launched largest drone strikes overnight

This combat drone with artificial horizon, mission planner , waypoint flight mode and failsafes for signal/radio comms failure is actually horrifying