Starker on 1/3/2025 at 14:32
Probably the most offensive line of attack was the one where they berated Zelensky for not having thanked them during the past 30 minutes or so. As if Ukraine would have to constantly grovel and prostrate itself just to get the aid that US has been obligated to give them in the first place since it forced Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons.
Tocky on 1/3/2025 at 14:40
Ukraine isn't even getting aid from the Trump administration. All of the aid is from the Biden allocation. Trump won't give them a dime. He only wants to take their resources. Is Zelensky supposed to thank him for taking from Ukraine?
heywood on 1/3/2025 at 14:45
Vance is a hillbilly hypocrite.
Trump and Vance were probably dumb enough to believe that they could get Zelenskyy to give them something for nothing. They turned the meeting into a press event thinking they would be basking in the glow of cameras and friendly press and celebrating their victory. They were wrong. Zelenskyy stood up for his country and showed where Trump's loyalties lie, and Trump and Vance had a public tantrum over it. They looked stupid. It was a sad and embarrassing moment for my country.
Republicans were dumb enough to believe that Trump would be able to end the war quickly. I guess they believe in magic powers or something. I wonder if they will ever wake up to the fact that Trump has no intention of helping Ukraine because he's on Russia's side. More likely they will just follow Trump into Putin's embrace. That's all the Republican party is anymore, blind followers who have decided to stop thinking for themselves.
Nicker on 1/3/2025 at 16:00
Vance went from calling Trump, Hitler, to becoming his von Ribbentrop.
demagogue on 1/3/2025 at 16:48
You probably or might have seen it, but I was (
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151653&page=66&p=2524644&viewfull=1#post2524644) just saying the same thing too basically, except it was Rubio in Munich.
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people should stop calling this Munich 2, where Neville Chamberlain and Hitler [carved] off the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to Hitler, and they should start analogizing it to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact between Hitler & Stalin's proxies to carve Poland in half
If nothing else yesterday's press conference addressed this question I raised in that post.
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He's still gaslighting with Chamberlain-like language, but increasingly he's not even bothering with that and letting his Hitler-side show openly, and it's clear gaslighting, it's just a matter of how long it takes people to catch on.
I'm pretty sure at this point everyone has caught on & gets the message loud and clear.
Nicker on 1/3/2025 at 17:08
Everybody except the people who can stop the madness but are too frightened to act. Or, they get the message and approve whole heartedly.
I do remember reading your post but forgot your choice of von Ribbentrop. I consider it a grim affirmation that we identified the same henchman.
taffernicus on 2/3/2025 at 10:23
does this amount to a predictive programming?
this was published on dec 2021
[video=youtube_share;Nrj9FzMhlJw]https://youtu.be/Nrj9FzMhlJw?si=5GZ992pwQRXfoYgS[/video]
Starker on 2/3/2025 at 12:44
Here's a take on the aftermath of all of this from a pro-Ukrainian US commentator:
[video=youtube;RdXV53a5AzA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdXV53a5AzA[/video]
There's points brought up in there that I haven't seen really seen talked about in most of the other analyses of the situation. For example, one of the reasons Lord Dampnut was getting his panties in a twist being because Zelensky kept saying negative things about Putin.
demagogue on 2/3/2025 at 18:48
Ugh it's maddening to listen to Krasnov's sycophantic cult and what seems like half the media responding to this mess, giving us such assurances that Krasnov's shakedown deal will guarantee there's nothing to worry about from Russia after its done ... which is what he said & what a lot of media are uncritically reporting. It's all echoing history way too close for comfort.
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