uncadonego on 27/11/2024 at 01:55

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If WWIII starts, history will show Putin started it three years ago.

Tocky on 28/11/2024 at 01:50

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I thought you evangelical types WANTED the "end of days" thing. Well, shill that you are for Russia, I guess you missed when the last world war happened we decided that defeating totalitarian regimes was a good thing. Or are you such a pussy that you will not stand up for anything good? Better to roll over and give away all our men fought and died for then if it means you can play video games for another year or two? Why do you reckon Trump wants to end NATO, the only organization created to stand against expansionist places like Russia, China, and his little love letter buddy Kim? Kim got the info to create effective long range intercontinental missiles under Trump last time. Will he get him to turn his head while he takes South Korea this time? Better start making your excuses now.

I remember when Republicans were ostensibly for the US over Russia. I guess when Russia decided to drop all that being for the worker nonsense and go whole hog for the rich, Republicans decided to show that they aren't for any US ideals after all, but only for the rich wherever they are. All it took was one Russian whore at their convention to turn them traitor. Now if they can end the mainstream media who report on that stuff. All that glorious Russian misinformation can just pour into the heads of idiots here.

We see that because Ukraine would not lie for Trump to help him get elected they were tossed to the wolf Russia who would help him get elected. Republicans are not for the US, just Trump. They sold out their country for one man.

I almost forgot Tulsi Gabbard, Putins other mole, who was appointed to funnel CIA intel to Putin faster now. He won't have to send his agents to Trumps bathroom anymore. Yay US...SR. Just a matter of time now.

Cipheron on 30/11/2024 at 05:06

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(https://news.sky.com/story/zelenskyy-suggests-hes-prepared-to-end-ukraine-war-in-return-for-nato-membership-even-if-russia-doesnt-immediately-return-seized-land-13263085)



It's an interesting proposal. Basically it plays into rumors that Trump was floating the plan, which puts Trump's promises to end the war on the hotseat but also lets Trump take some credit for the proposal. If they can also find a way for Putin to spin this as a win at home, there's some chance it could go through.

This would solve the problem of Putin being able to re-arm and come back for a second go, if Ukraine basically ends up bristling with NATO weaponry. It would basically make the situation similar to North Korea / South Korea, where US presence has prevented the North invading the South again for 70 years, despite the grey area of whether the war actually ended.

What would be interesting is if the Trump camp was floating the proposal, but with the expectation that Zelensky would say "no way" because the lands weren't returned, so that Trump could go "see? Zelensky doesn't even want peace" and cut off military aid. But Zelensky then did a home-run around them by accepting the plan and making them stick to it.

So i'd be laughing if Trump has to go with this plan and say "yes it was my plan all along" but inside he's seething because he didn't actually want Ukraine to get NATO protection.

Tocky on 30/11/2024 at 17:33

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I think you underestimate the degree to which Trump is under Putins control. Putin made him say on national TV that he trusted Putin over our own CIA. If Trump does back this plan then it is with the intention of withdrawing the US from NATO. There will be some way to let Putin take even more territory. And don't think Putin will quit. He has stated he is expansionist and he is. He may be more patient than Hitler but he is just as bold. He will not stop building up his arsenal with the intention of expanding further. His oil sales will increase to China and North Korea with proceeds going to military equipment. Putin is not done and Trump is not done licking his boots.

Pyrian on 30/11/2024 at 23:33

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I could easily see Trump going for a plan that let him brag about accomplishing his promise to end the war immediately and diplomatically. Like, you're not wrong that he's on the isolationist side, but that's clearly secondary to his ego.

But I don't see how it clears Putin, who has repeatedly expressed extreme opposition to Ukraine joining NATO, and indeed arguably started the wars specifically over Ukraine cozying up to the West instead of falling under his umbrella. What does he get out of this deal? Territory he already controls? Sanctions he already subverts? A break from the fighting, I suppose, but I don't think he'll agree to any part of Ukraine joining NATO for that.