lowenz on 18/8/2024 at 19:33
Quote Posted by DuatDweller
Then you didn't saw the news lately, Ukrainian drones damaged Zaporizhzhia, a little but still.
Zaporizhzhia NCPP is not the same of Che(o)rnobyl. Kursk one is the same.
lowenz on 18/8/2024 at 19:37
Quote Posted by baeuchlein
Concerning the planes, a german podcast just stated that the most significant problem with the F-16's is that the Ukrainians so far have very different restrictions placed by various countries of "the West" on the weapons this plane could use.
How / what is the german population reaction to the lastest revelations (if we accept them as true) about the Nord Stream destruction ?
baeuchlein on 18/8/2024 at 20:04
Quote Posted by lowenz
How / what is the german population reaction to the lastest revelations (if we accept them as true) about the Nord Stream destruction ?
AFAIK, there is no real new revelation present here. The suspicions about a team of people including one woman travelling with the yacht "Andromeda" to the pipelines, possibly to sabotage them, and these people coming from the Ukraine, were already reported here a year ago. The only thing that has changed now is that there seems to be at least one person known by name which the authorities want to arrest. Last year, this person apparently had no name, so to speak. But still there appears to be no idea where this person (or the other suspects) could be today - not really ideal to get a hold on them.
These recent reports still prove only that the suspicions about some Ukrainians blowing up the pipelines are a bit more likely to be true, but it's not sure yet. And furthermore, the suspects are not the only ones involved; there have to be some "higher ups" who planned the large-scale aspects of this. There's no news about who could have been this, and also not a single idea about whether these "higher ups" are Ukrainians, or whether it has been a "false flag" operation for which Russia is responsible.
So, not much has really changed, and as a consequence, so far no significant reactions from the public, the government, or anyone else worth mentioning has been observed.
Starker on 18/8/2024 at 21:19
Perun just released a lengthy overview of the Kursk offensive. Probably as factual of an analysis that you can get.
[video=youtube;sTIpVqpLwkk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTIpVqpLwkk[/video]
Also,
Ukraine: The Latest, a podcast run by
The Telegraph, had a lengthy segment about Kursk, including a bit about electronic warfare: (
https://youtu.be/ZNuV_P4-o4Y?si=uMTl60_3TfpytHGY&t=1285)
DuatDweller on 19/8/2024 at 08:00
When it comes to news, I read all sources and believe none.
It could be manipulation from either side.
Better be skeptical than manipulated.
demagogue on 19/8/2024 at 16:29
The key to separating good & bad news is reading more news, but especially local news from the people involved.
Two simple examples, there's been a lot of international debate about who blew up the Kakhovka Dam and who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, and you'll see a lot of propaganda on both sides pointing the finger in both directions. But if you read local expert sources (the people that would know), especially if it's against their own interest on its face: Russian commentators, that would know, know the Russia blew up that dam, and Ukrainian commentators, that would know, know that Ukraine blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.
Sometimes they still try to bury the lead, but you can learn how to read what they're really saying. They usually have the best evidence and explain it in the wider context. Anyway, when the worry is the credibility of news, the solution is to dig deeper to the expert sources closest to the thing in a situation where we can expect them to speak freely. It's usually sources that are not targeting you (you can be initially wary of the ones that are especially targeting you), so you need to translate it and find it in out of the way corners of the net that you have to search out.
Nicker on 19/8/2024 at 19:16
You mean I have to work to have an informed opinion? :mad:
DuatDweller on 19/8/2024 at 22:27
Yeah you will have to build up those finger muscles to a web search machine level.
Oh by the way, Google got a proposal to split into smaller companies, damn it.
Welcome to chaos and disorder.
SD on 19/8/2024 at 22:53
In Soviet Russia, Ukraine invades you.
demagogue on 19/8/2024 at 23:08
That almost deserves an '80s-style slow clap crescendo.
