Cipheron on 2/3/2022 at 08:27
Belarus' Lukashenko has shown a map on live TV of Russia/Belarus invasion plans. The big whopper? It showed them invading a nation that they haven't invaded yet - the separatist Transnistria region of Moldova.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1573902/Lukashenko-belarus-attack-map-russia-ukraine-war-latest-vn)
The similarity here is that Moldova has also elected a pro-EU president and had an ex-president who was pro-Putin who was kicked out of power. So it looks a lot like they planned to occupy Transnistria once they pacified Ukraine (it's on the other side of Ukraine from Russia), then pull the same shit with supporting separatists there, to destabilize Moldova and get a puppet government going there, too.
Starker on 2/3/2022 at 10:20
Shows you what the conflict is really about. It's certainly not about Russia needing a "buffer zone". Which was a nonsense argument to begin with and more of an excuse for Russian aggression and making it seem like the invasion was the West's fault. In truth, most of the big countries have been able to project force to anywhere in the world for a while now and practically speaking there's very little difference between a missile being launched next door or from one country over or from a submarine off your coast.
lowenz on 2/3/2022 at 11:36
Quote Posted by Starker
Shows you what the conflict is really about. It's certainly not about Russia needing a "buffer zone". Which was a nonsense argument to begin with and more of an excuse for Russian aggression and making it seem like the invasion was the West's fault. In truth, most of the big countries have been able to project force to anywhere in the world for a while now and practically speaking there's very little difference between a missile being launched next door or from one country over or from a submarine off your coast.
Of course is a nonsense, where is the "buffer zone" between USA Alaska and russian cities like Vladivostok and that part of Russia nobody's remember being Russia and not China?
There's only the sea and very little of it.
So "NATO aggressions" are of course possible, but nobody even remembers that USA-Russia direct border.
Starker on 2/3/2022 at 11:51
Alaska-Vladivostok is a complete non-starter. Not least because it would require a lot of travel through vast areas of very little importance and it's not how modern wars are conducted in any case.
demagogue on 2/3/2022 at 12:39
That reminds me, my first day I interned at the US State Dept's law office, my first task was the reorganize their records in one section, and that had me doing a deep dive in the US-USSR negotiations over the Alaska-Soviet border from the US negotiators' perspective, something like quarterly meetings basically from I guess the Yalta Conference up to 1991 when the whole thing (unsurprisingly) evaporated overnight. I just remember being completely absorbed reading through those records.
A very interesting amount of the Cold War was wrapped up in those negotiations ... early warning systems, nuclear bomber & submarine routes, etc., strategic factors I'd imagine didn't completely disappear. So I wouldn't use the term complete non-starter.
Starker on 2/3/2022 at 12:40
Maybe it's not a non-starter for the Cold War planners, but to the rest of us, the idea that anyone is going to invade Russia from Alaska is pretty laughable. I mean, it's friggin' 5700 miles from Vladivostok to Moscow. It takes 7 days to get there on a high-speed train.
lowenz on 2/3/2022 at 13:18
Quote Posted by Starker
Alaska-Vladivostok is a complete non-starter. Not least because it would require a lot of travel through vast areas of
very little importance and it's not how modern wars are conducted in any case.
And that proves that "PEOPLE'S SECURITY NEEDS" is a joke. Like the "Ukrainian NAZIS" (with a jew memorial hit by someone in the R.F. Army that maybe would meet some Mossad operatives in the future :D )
lowenz on 2/3/2022 at 13:23
Quote Posted by Starker
Maybe it's not a non-starter for the Cold War planners, but to the rest of us, the idea that anyone is going to invade Russia from Alaska is pretty laughable. I mean, it's
friggin' 5700 miles from Vladivostok to Moscow. It takes 7 days to get there on a high-speed train.
Exactly, so "asian" russians are not "our people" to Mr. Putin.....so much for protecting "people" from NAZIS and the Great Western Satan.....oh wait, the people care is an excuse.
Pyrian on 2/3/2022 at 14:33
Nobody's invading Russia while they have a nuclear deterrent.
Thanks to Cipheron for that link and context. That was really interesting.
