demagogue on 1/8/2023 at 14:22
I've seen a couple of analysts talk about it, but (
https://www.youtube.com/@VladVexler) Vlad Vexler's videos in particular do a good job of explaining it.
There's been a kind of deal between the Putin regime and the bulk of the public that doesn't care about politics. Putin gets to be autocrat and do what he wants in Ukraine as long as it doesn't affect them, i.e., as long as stays as a minor military intervention and not a real war that has high casualty numbers and calls for 10Ks of people's family members to be drafted into the military.
Private militias were one way Putin could keep his side of the deal as long as he could, but obviously it came with the risk of what actually happened.
Pyrian on 1/8/2023 at 16:34
Reminds me of the 40K Imperium breaking up the Space Marine Legions into Chapters after the Heresy, lol.
...My bet is that this ends up being "stealth recruitment" and anybody who signs up just gets shipped off to Ukraine anyway.
heywood on 2/8/2023 at 10:20
I have to imagine that part of the reason to make them quasi-private is to sign up people who are avoiding the army because they don't want to fight in Ukraine. It seems risky to arm a regional militia full of such people and then try to pull a bait & switch.
WingedKagouti on 2/8/2023 at 12:01
Quote Posted by heywood
I have to imagine that part of the reason to make them quasi-private is to sign up people who are avoiding the army because they don't want to fight in Ukraine. It seems risky to arm a regional militia full of such people and then try to pull a bait & switch.
They'll probably be offered a bonus for joining the Russian main military force in Ukraine instead of being forced to go.
Jason Moyer on 23/8/2023 at 17:46
(
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733) Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin feared dead after Russia plane crash
Initial reports said it was shot down, apparently. I am shocked, shocked I tell you.
mxleader on 23/8/2023 at 17:59
Yes, very surprising news if true. Who would have thought that the man with a bigger target on his back than Zelensky would have been killed.
What's surprising is that he got into an airplane at all. That was not a great move.
WingedKagouti on 23/8/2023 at 18:20
The most imporant bit was the the plane he was (probably) on crashed (was shot down) less than 200km from Moscow.
heywood on 23/8/2023 at 18:24
He's been seen traveling in Russia since the deal. It seemed like he was given a little time to close up shop in St. Petersburg before starting exile. I guess he took the liberty one too many times.
lowenz on 23/8/2023 at 19:07
Quote Posted by heywood
He's been seen traveling in Russia since the deal. It seemed like he was given a little time to close up shop in St. Petersburg before starting exile. I guess he took the liberty one too many times.
He's that kind of man, too much "american" for the russofascist elite.....now we'll see how the future of Wagner will unfold.
Starker on 23/8/2023 at 19:27
Well, that's one way of falling out of a window.
