Nameless Voice on 28/2/2022 at 23:29
This whole invasion is awful, but I still find it disturbing how people are so eager for more death, to glorify war and warfare as being somehow noble.
I feel sorry for the civilians caught in the middle.
I feel sorry for the Ukrainian men who are forced to become killers to defend their homes - which they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
I feel sorry for the parents of the soldiers who will die on both sides. I even feel sorry for the young Russians who were mandatorily conscripted into the army and ordered to invade their neighbours.
And all for what?
The people behind this, Putin, his cronies, and others who have fanned the flames of this war, are not going to be the ones to suffer and die for this invasion. It will always be the normal people who will suffer and die.
It's depressing that it's 2022 and we live in a world where invasions, wars, and attacks are still commonplace.
Azaran on 28/2/2022 at 23:41
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
It's depressing that it's 2022 and we live in a world where invasions, wars, and attacks are still commonplace.
Those of us in the west rarely experience that kind of chaos, so we're conditioned into thinking that the world is generally stable. Bad things only happen on tv, overseas, etc... until they happen to us.
The reality is most of the planet is still mired in corruption, power games, poverty, religious extremism , etc. And while technology has improved, other aspects have not, and some are getting worse
lowenz on 1/3/2022 at 00:14
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
I still find it disturbing how people are so eager for more death, to glorify war and warfare as being somehow noble.
It's hardwired in human mind, it's how we're programmed by default (as animals).
Tocky on 1/3/2022 at 03:06
I don't think many are eager for death but they do accept reality. If you don't fight for your country you lose it. You never win by dying for it either. You win by making the other side die for theirs. Once Putin decided to depose Ukraine's leader there was no other choice. Unless some of the oligarchs tire of losing money and offer him some nice polonium tea, his favorite drink to give to others.
Cipheron on 1/3/2022 at 07:32
Also, they hand-wring about how the guys on the receiving end of the invasion need to rein it in an be nice. Not many words about how the aggressor should be doing that.
Mostly about the Russians I hear stuff like the average Russian soldier doesn't know why he's there, he's just following orders etc. Basically absolving them of personal responsibility - Russian invaders characterized as almost innocent bystanders. Then you see things like the Russian guy in the tank who deliberately ran over a civilian in a car - a basic murder attempt.
Then on the other hand, for any sign of aggression from the Ukrainian defenders they shake their heads and talk about how irresponsible it all is and they should bend over for their ass-rape because then less people get hurt. "Just comply because we wouldn't want anyone 'hurt' " is the deal the mafia offers you.
Sometimes you gotta fight because the future is more important than "nobody getting hurt". For example, many people died in the struggle for worker's rights, i.e. union battles. If we took the attitude that it was irresponsible to fight back against power because then, we might get some people hurt, then we lose, big time on the longer term battle.
Starker on 1/3/2022 at 07:38
Quote Posted by Cipheron
Then you see things like the Russian guy in the tank who deliberately ran over a civilian in a car - a basic murder attempt.
Er, from what I heard, it was an Ukrainian driver and it was an accident.
I mean, it could well be that a lone Russian tank is just driving around Ukraine without escort, but I think it highly unlikely. Not for long, anyway.
faetal on 1/3/2022 at 10:44
Here is a thread from journalist Carol Cadwalladr on how this may be part of a larger "information war" being waged, largely by Russia:
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https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1498056686548013062)
I don't know enough about the source material to have my own take, but it seems worth paying attention to.
lowenz on 1/3/2022 at 12:42
Quote Posted by Cipheron
Mostly about the Russians I hear stuff like the average Russian soldier doesn't know why he's there, he's just following orders etc. Basically absolving them of personal responsibility - Russian invaders characterized as almost innocent bystanders. Then you see things like the Russian guy in the tank who deliberately ran over a civilian in a car - a basic murder attempt.
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That's an ukrainian tank running over STOLEN car (by a saboteur / alleged saboteur).
Problem is: they send young soldiers to die just to justify veterans to destroy everything "
You see, NAZIS have killed our youngest ones, KILL THEM ALL, liberate Ukraine".
They know how to pimp up the patriotic narrative, they know really well how to make russian people to want the occupation as an act of self defence.
The "real" army is just arriving now and the missile batteries are around the major cities.
lowenz on 1/3/2022 at 12:55
Quote Posted by faetal
information war
In a poverty context you can't win a politically-driven patriotism, it's like asking someone to admit his "
default basic values holding the society" are wrong. So they wage war, cause war is the glue for desperates. It's really hardwired in the brain.
Information war has the goal to feel you in danger and desperate, to stimulate and feed paranoia, until you unlock the hardwired (tribal) programming.
Tocky on 1/3/2022 at 21:44
Well I'll be darned. Briareos H was right. I found video of Jashin and it turns out he is a Texan.
[video]https://www.newsweek.com/who-russell-bentley-texas-man-pro-russia-ukraine-1683618[/video]
The video is further down.
[video=youtube_share;PejddkCDqjM]https://youtu.be/PejddkCDqjM[/video]
Well I'll be damned again. I've never known Youtube to ever take down anything. Have they grown a back bone?
[video]https://twitter.com/i/status/1498393087952961541[/video]
