Nicker on 26/7/2023 at 17:11
Quote Posted by lowenz
Representative demoNcracy as I say :D
The real problem is *PEOPLE* wanting a political echo to their excuses
That depends on who or what the "demons" are representing.
A truly functioning representative democracy requires an educated and engaged populous with political mechanisms which promote and facilitate meaningful participation. Which is why fascists love the "poorly educated" and frightened people. "Fear is the mind killer." Frightened people want simple solutions and strong men to enact them.
lowenz on 26/7/2023 at 19:36
Quote Posted by Nicker
A truly functioning representative democracy requires an educated and engaged populous with political mechanisms which promote and facilitate meaningful participation. Which is why fascists love the "poorly educated" and frightened people. "Fear is the mind killer." Frightened people want simple solutions and strong men to enact them.
You can't kill this kind of beast with a rational platform. You can't kill it with a nuclear war too. The only way is to show how behind this kind of "unholy driving force" there's only a big mental disease dressed by "normality" at social level.
bassoferrol on 27/7/2023 at 15:27
Yes, you are right.
Islam is precisely that and is going to be the problem in Europe from now on.
They don´t need democracy, just Islamic laws.
25.000.000 million to this day and growing like there is no tomorrow.
But we gotta love them as if they were compatible with western societies.
lowenz on 27/7/2023 at 16:52
Quote Posted by bassoferrol
Yes, you are right.
Islam is precisely that and is going to be the problem in Europe from now on.
They don´t need democracy, just Islamic laws.
25.000.000 million to this day and growing like there is no tomorrow.
But we gotta love them as if they were compatible with western societies.
it's not "Islam", fascists are not islamic (but some islamic people have a fascist-like behaviour), they're totally ANTI-Islam.
Every conservative idealist (in the philosophical meaning) is a potential fascist, from US republicans to russian elite.
Cipheron on 29/7/2023 at 00:09
Quote Posted by bassoferrol
Yes, you are right.
Islam is precisely that and is going to be the problem in Europe from now on.
They don´t need democracy, just Islamic laws.
25.000.000 million to this day and growing like there is no tomorrow.
But we gotta love them as if they were compatible with western societies.
If you haven't noticed, the USA is being destroyed by MAGA psychos who aren't compatible with modern society.
It's really nothing to do with islam.
We have the BJP who now rule India who are hard-core Indian Nationalists and launch pogroms against Muslim minorities.
We have Christo-fascist extremists in America yearning for another Civil War and to impose their doctrines on everyone else.
Like, how could anyone expect someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene to assimilate into a functional society?
Nicker on 29/7/2023 at 01:44
Quote Posted by bassoferrol
Yes, you are right.
Islam is precisely that and is going to be the problem in Europe from now on.
They don´t need democracy, just Islamic laws.
25.000.000 million to this day and growing like there is no tomorrow.
But we gotta love them as if they were compatible with western societies.
ME: "And there's always the next charlatan, crowing I Alone Can Fix It! But first we must eradicate (insert minority here...)."
YOU: "Hurrrr Durrrr, Moooslims!!!"
Captain Irony: "My Work is done here."
Cipheron on 31/7/2023 at 20:42
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladimir-putins-plan-after-wagner-mutiny-new-military-groups-across-russia)
Quote:
Tucked away in a new law aimed at raising the draft age for Russia's military are several mysterious amendments that are designed to create new armed groups or paramilitary companies throughout the country.
The military companies, also known as “special enterprises,” would be there to maintain public order, protect Russia's borders, and counter sabotage efforts, according to the text of the bill.
As the proposal is currently framed, the new military companies would be armed and run by governors, but would obtain weapons from the Russian Ministry of Defense. They would ostensibly operate at the behest of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The law on draft age adopted this week is raising questions about when they will begin forming—and what exactly the State Duma is trying to accomplish, as Russia already has a national guard and territorial defenses.
The steps to create the military companies come just weeks after Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin sent his mercenaries storming through Russia toward Moscow in an apparent mutiny. And although Putin was able to stymie the revolt through negotiation, the entire affair has sent ripples through Moscow's approach to security and public order, exposing the vulnerabilities in the Kremlin's armor.
It's a plan for Wagner 2.0 but without an intermediary who has too much power. They've built in a clause allowing Putin to order the disbanding of any of these militia units who will be required to disarm within days.
lowenz on 31/7/2023 at 21:41
Disband HOW if the group grows too much :p
Cipheron on 1/8/2023 at 06:51
Quote Posted by lowenz
Disband HOW if the group grows too much :p
They did at least think of that. It's not one single group, it's militia units organized under individual governors.
Each governor would only has a specific territory they can't expand beyond, and governors could totally be removed and replaced as needed.
This would at least localize any problems with the specific units, you have to give them that, and using the existing governors as the organizing level is pretty smart, as they clearly have a handle on who's who in local politics.
And also, Wagner's mercenaries didn't just rebel for the hell of it, the plan was specifically to maintain Prigozhin's position and possibly his plans to succeed Putin. They were Prigozhin loyalists. Setting up local individual militias means there's no one single figure for that stuff to coalesce around.
So no, the same thing WON'T happen again just because they make more militia units - that doesn't actually make any sense or exactly fit with why it happened the last time.
Previously, ALL the paramilitary stuff was handled by one guy, so that one guy became too powerful and challenged Putin. It's not rocket science to just not create any centralized leader for the militias other than Putin this time. Putin needed the plausible denial of having Wagner and Prigozhin before. But now that the gloves are off and it's full martial law he doesn't have to give any more fucks and can just personally command them.
heywood on 1/8/2023 at 10:14
Prigozhin demonstrated that with the Russian military fully focused on Ukraine, there was nobody to stop a small invading force. And Ukraine's drone attacks are exposing weaknesses in their air defences. I think that's what they're trying to address with these militias. It is interesting that they are sticking with the quasi-private enterprise model. I assume that is for expediency because organizing through the bureaucracy is slow. I guess it also discourages people from signing up just to get a government paycheck. But it seems like it will appeal to opportunistic warlord types, and they rarely add stability to a situation.
