demagogue on 23/6/2023 at 19:53
Prigozhin is sabre-rattling at the Russian military: (
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-moscow-of-lying-to-public-about-ukraine-yevgeny-prigozhin) Wagner chief accuses Moscow of lying to public about Ukraine
There's also a (
https://www.barrons.com/news/moscow-strikes-kill-huge-number-of-wagner-forces-chief-fe5a1c78) story going around that Russian forces bombed a Wagner camp.
I take it the counter-offensive isn't going well for Russia and maybe it's looking for a scapegoat, and Prigozhin is going scorched earth to save himself. Some people were wondering if it might come to open conflict even civil war between Wagner and Russian forces. I'm not sure about that. Again it looks like the Russian military being opportunistic and Wagner acting in self-defense, which doesn't sound like the kind of motivation that would sustain conflict. But it does raise questions about what it means for the war in Ukraine. Prigozhin may be making a public appeal to end the conflict early and trying to pull Putin's power base from under his feet maybe.
Pyrian on 23/6/2023 at 20:02
Yeeeah UMMM so this "interesting":
(
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672314259907158028)
Quote:
PMC Wagner Commanders’ Council made a decision: the evil brought by the military leadership of the country must be stopped.
They neglect the lives of soldiers. They forgot the word “justice”, and we will bring it back.
Those, who destroyed today our guys, who destroyed tens, tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers will be punished.
I’m asking: no one resist. Everyone who will try to resist, we will consider them a danger and destroy them immediately, including any checkpoints on our way. And any aviation that we see above our heads.
I’m asking everyone to remain calm, do not succumb to provocations, and remain in their houses. Ideally, those along our way, do not go outside.
After we finished what we started, we will return to the frontline to protect our motherland.
Presidential authority, Government, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rosgvardia, and other departments will continue operating as before.
We will deal with those who destroy Russian soldiers. And we will return to the frontline.
Justice in the Army will be restored. And after this, justice for the whole of Russia.
More details:
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-russias-military-of-attack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped)
"Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!"
lowenz on 23/6/2023 at 20:09
yeah yeah, as if they discover it today......of course it's not a ruse, totally believable.....
IF NOT they will be leveled by the airforce, as ukrainians.....
Starker on 24/6/2023 at 04:41
[video=youtube;XKdJ6DnPhzk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKdJ6DnPhzk[/video]
Also, looks like it might be time for...
[video=youtube;AOLdn36K7Xk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOLdn36K7Xk&t=17s[/video]
Tocky on 24/6/2023 at 05:35
I have to say I'm surprised at how well our defensive missiles have taken out all the incoming cruise missiles from Russia. There was a mention of a town on NPR that was a hundred miles from the Ukraine front and out of the thirty missiles fired at it none made it through. All this talk of hypersonic missiles and they get defeated by the patriot system. That has to be a hard blow to Putin.
WingedKagouti on 24/6/2023 at 09:52
Quote Posted by demagogue
Again it looks like the Russian military being opportunistic and Wagner acting in self-defense, which doesn't sound like the kind of motivation that would sustain conflict. But it does raise questions about what it means for the war in Ukraine. Prigozhin may be making a public appeal to end the conflict early and trying to pull Putin's power base from under his feet maybe.
It's worth noticing that both camps in the Russian offense are still pro-invasion, it's not like either of them want to stop invading Ukraine. Which certainly makes this seem like a fight to shift blame for failing to reach that goal.
lowenz on 24/6/2023 at 10:52
Well, Prigozhin says "invasion" has been planned by the Kremlin and precisely uses that word, acknowledging the truth......
heywood on 24/6/2023 at 13:32
Quote Posted by Tocky
I have to say I'm surprised at how well our defensive missiles have taken out all the incoming cruise missiles from Russia. There was a mention of a town on NPR that was a hundred miles from the Ukraine front and out of the thirty missiles fired at it none made it through. All this talk of hypersonic missiles and they get defeated by the patriot system. That has to be a hard blow to Putin.
:erg:
Sounds like propaganda to me
We heard this story before back in '91
Tocky on 24/6/2023 at 15:59
Quote Posted by heywood
:erg:
Sounds like propaganda to me
We heard this story before back in '91
During the Gulf war? The one that was an astounding success? I'm not sure what you mean. The Patriot wasn't used then. It's used now with nearly 99% success in Israel. And back in May it stopped 29 of 30 from hitting Kiev. I'm not understanding how you can insinuate that is propaganda. It has been well proven time and time again. Or are you saying the hypersonic cruise Russia touts is just propaganda? Or are you saying they aren't using it but just old stock?
What exactly are you saying?