Jashin on 27/2/2022 at 19:00
Quote Posted by rachel
The dude has a law degree in economics and he comes from a highly educated background (his parents are a professor and an engineer respectively), stop propagating the "comedian"angle as if he was no more than a clueless buffoon who stumbled into politics, that clearly was never the case. You speak against propaganda, yet you are disseminating it yourself.
And when someone came to take over your country by force, you sure as hell don't just roll with it. If that's really what you think, you're delusional.
Degree? You don't have the first clue what politics is like.
Why don't you think for a second what's gonna happen when you pass out guns to anybody "thinking" they'll "fight invaders."
In war, with roads blocked and shortages everywhere, what do you think will happen?
Those of you pretending to be on Ukraine's side can't even comprehend that a country is a collection of regular people with contradictory wishes. In times of war the worst human instincts will take over a portion of the people and they will devour the other portion. Average Ukrainian will have a lot more to fear from other Ukrainians now that everybody can just open fire at will. No politician that actually cares about the people of Ukraine would ever do something so sophomoric and dumb.
rachel on 27/2/2022 at 19:23
A country is a collection of regular people with contradictory wishes, really? What next, you're gonna tell us that water is wet?
Seriously, if that's the level at which you engage, I'm just gonna ignore you now. Good luck at your high school debate club.
Starker on 27/2/2022 at 21:15
Quote Posted by Jashin
Why don't you think for a second what's gonna happen when you pass out guns to anybody "thinking" they'll "fight invaders."
Ukraine will become Texas?
hopper on 27/2/2022 at 21:20
Quote Posted by Jashin
I'm sorry friend, if you're in that mess as a civilian, then as one human being to another, it's a terrible. In your position, knowing myself, I may do the same as you. Even long time observers didn't predict the size and scale of the operations under way.
I just want to say one thing: This was never gonna be 2-3 days, seeing as most of the Ukrainian population has effectively been recruited, maybe even into future conflicts. Ukrainian military's hardware may be old, but city fighting will always be drawn out and bloody, especially now that it's being armed like the Syrian rebels.
Zelensky's call for all male able to hold a gun to 60 y.o. to be conscripted is tremendously sad. I've seen a few Ukrainians elsewhere praise him for appearing to stay and fight, but the fact that events have come to this... As a head of state, he bares responsibility. For a small/medium state, a good politician sometimes has to take the knee like a man, so that his country doesn't have to suffer, even if his countrymen may curse him. It's the ultimate irony that Zelensky is a comedic actor, cus he followed his script fully but it's not funny. Regular people's lives are being played with like a videogame.
There's just too much fake news right now, only reliable source seems to be satellite photos. Russia is not there to knock out tanks, planes, or civilians... Don't die trying to fight professional soldiers for someone else's political goal. Let the soldiers fight. Stay alive, keep your family safe and together. I hope you come through this okay.
I feel the need to take a shower now, just for having read this condescending garbage. I'm with rachel. From now on, you are ignored.
Starker on 27/2/2022 at 21:46
But... he read about it on the Wikipedia. He even watched a Youtube video and everything. Surely he must be knowledgeable enough at this point to give advice to people on the ground.
Tocky on 27/2/2022 at 22:03
Quote Posted by Jashin
Degree? You don't have the first clue what politics is like.
Why don't you think for a second what's gonna happen when you pass out guns to anybody "thinking" they'll "fight invaders."
In war, with roads blocked and shortages everywhere, what do you think will happen?
Those of you pretending to be on Ukraine's side can't even comprehend that a country is a collection of regular people with contradictory wishes. In times of war the worst human instincts will take over a portion of the people and they will devour the other portion. Average Ukrainian will have a lot more to fear from other Ukrainians now that everybody can just open fire at will. No politician that actually cares about the people of Ukraine would ever do something so sophomoric and dumb.
On behalf of the Ukrainian people, suck it you Russian ball licker. You think we can't see what you are? You think we can't tell you are a Putin apologist stooge and likely paid shill for him? If you aren't then you are one of the Russians drowning in it's propaganda. Ukraine will beat you bastards. Take that home to your fearless leader. Oh but just lay down and take your rape up the ass is your solution for Ukraine? Fuck you. Zelensky is a real leader. He stayed instead of fleeing like the last Russian puppet did and the next one you install will. What Russia has done is to take all those differences you speak of like spread fingers and pull them all into a fist to fight you.
Just bend a knee. You disgust me. Every rifle handed out contains a dead Russian or Chechen or Belarus soldier in it and it won't end quickly for you scum. Of course you want capitulation. Of course you want surrender. Of course you want to take Ukraine easy. Well it ain't gonna happen. Are you going to try to starve them as you did before? Well they will be resupplied. The rest of the world will see to that. We may not fight along side them due to the WWIII danger but they will be supplied. Count on it. Your good buddies will be knocked off their tanks by bullets from the woods. And when you stop to chase they will be hit with anti tank weapons. They will never give up. It will be your worst nightmare and a quagmire you will be begging to get out of. Resupply will be smuggled in. You can't cover the entire border and I hope we grow some balls and find a way to cross lines in the night like your "green men" did and give them an unending supply of weapons and bullets and food.
Ukrainians will be fine with each other. What won't be? You. Every last one of you Russian butt sniffers will sleep light or not at all and for good reason.
Cipheron on 28/2/2022 at 07:15
Quote Posted by Jashin
Zelensky's call for all male able to hold a gun to 60 y.o. to be conscripted is tremendously sad. I've seen a few Ukrainians elsewhere praise him for appearing to stay and fight, but the fact that events have come to this... As a head of state, he bares responsibility. For a small/medium state, a good politician sometimes has to take the knee like a man, so that his country doesn't have to suffer, even if his countrymen may curse him. It's the ultimate irony that Zelensky is a comedic actor, cus he followed his script fully but it's not funny. Regular people's lives are being played with like a videogame.
Bro ... if we all thought like that we'd all be speaking German right now and heiling Hitler as the great liberator. Constantly taking the knee against more powerful aggressors is how those brutal empires get into power in the first place. You can take the knee, but then you **don't have a country** anymore.
By that logic, England and France would have been wrong to oppose Hitler over the Poland invasion, after all a lot of British and French people died and France got invaded because of that declaration of war. And of course, the Poles were extremely irresponsible to actually fight back against the Germans, right? After all the responsible thing is to surrender before anyone gets hurt. So Churchill was very irresponsible to put so many French and British lives on the line, right? 20 million dead Russians in WWII? Stalin could have taken the knee and prevented that happening, the selfish bastard.
If all the former soviet republics took that attitude then Ukraine would fall and be reincorporated into the new Russian Empire, but of course it wouldn't stop there. It's not like Ukraine is the first nearby nation that Russia "needed" to invade. Once they have Ukraine "pacified" then they'd start the same shit on other nearby nations. It would be a never-ending cycle. It would be Poland, Lithuania, Latvia etc next, and before you know it they would be machinating a cassus belli against Finland. Sure, Russia didn't take ALL of Georgia or Ukraine the last two times they invaded those places. But there's only one reason they didn't - those places were willing to fight back. If Georgia and Ukraine did the "responsible" thing and surrendered to start with, Putin would just have gone "ok I'll just take your entire country then" back in 2008 and 2014. Because ... why wouldn't he if they're just going to roll over and hand him their own heads on a platter?
Briareos H on 28/2/2022 at 08:02
Quote Posted by Tocky
On behalf of the Ukrainian people, suck it you Russian ball licker. You think we can't see what you are? You think we can't tell you are a Putin apologist stooge and likely paid shill for him? If you aren't then you are one of the Russians drowning in it's propaganda. Ukraine will beat you bastards. Take that home to your fearless leader. Oh but just lay down and take your rape up the ass is your solution for Ukraine? Fuck you. Zelensky is a real leader. He stayed instead of fleeing like the last Russian puppet did and the next one you install will. What Russia has done is to take all those differences you speak of like spread fingers and pull them all into a fist to fight you.
Just bend a knee. You disgust me. Every rifle handed out contains a dead Russian or Chechen or Belarus soldier in it and it won't end quickly for you scum. Of course you want capitulation. Of course you want surrender. Of course you want to take Ukraine easy. Well it ain't gonna happen. Are you going to try to starve them as you did before? Well they will be resupplied. The rest of the world will see to that. We may not fight along side them due to the WWIII danger but they will be supplied. Count on it. Your good buddies will be knocked off their tanks by bullets from the woods. And when you stop to chase they will be hit with anti tank weapons. They will never give up. It will be your worst nightmare and a quagmire you will be begging to get out of. Resupply will be smuggled in. You can't cover the entire border and I hope we grow some balls and find a way to cross lines in the night like your "green men" did and give them an unending supply of weapons and bullets and food.
Ukrainians will be fine with each other. What won't be? You. Every last one of you Russian butt sniffers will sleep light or not at all and for good reason.
Jashin's posts do read like sycophantic pro-Russia propaganda disguised as genuine care for
the people but your unhinged attitude reeks of the American brand of imperialism, not that I have any idea if you are. "Paid shill"? "Every rifle handed out contains a dead Russian or Chechen or Belarus soldier in it"? Get real.
serg_kundel on 28/2/2022 at 11:10
Stop thinking that my president Zelenskyi is a comic, for last few weeks he showed that he has really big balls.
If the russian forces continue expansion to the West of Ukraine (please God - no) I'll be one (even civilian) of the many, who will say hi to them here with whatever weapon.
Right now, it's not a political question for me, it's the question of survivalability of Ukrainian nation and bringind down that post soviet shackles from russia.
@rachal You are right - it's just a plane, if needed we create more. But people's life is the most important.
