Goldmoon Dawn on 6/4/2013 at 05:31
Many of us want it for the same reasons, yet most of us want it for different reasons. However, there are a few things at the very core that all of us want. A simple stripped down interface in a strictly 1st person world, where magic and technology uneasily coexist. A world you can sneak through and steal things from the unwary and unsuspecting. Dark and foreboding environments rife with opportunities to creatively and freely explore, often yielding rewarding results, both emotionally and financially. A quiet game, where the atmosphere overtakes the action, allowing time for one to absorb the atmosphere and well crafted surroundings. Like an orchestra performing a grand and ominous symphony, quiet and dark through the lows and explorations, and loud and penetrating when all hell happens to break loose. A captivating and well thought out story that ties the whole experience together into a classic effort. Wait, am I in the Thief Forum? Where the hell am I?!?! I thought this was the Ultima Forum.
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jtr7 on 6/4/2013 at 05:40
The very fact that talking about Thief in a Thief[4] forum is unwelcome, is crapped on as nostalgia and old and outdated (even though modern pro-Thief ideas are being touted!) and a game that usually has one of the nicest, most helpful, warmest communities, yet here and at Eidos does not, should tell everyone participating that things are too different. We've gone from Oz back to Kansas, and Dorothy's in a mental ward! There is not enough of the welcome and long-awaited major changes and improvements, and way more replacements, gutting, and flashy filler. The rabid praise for a game no one's seen (yeah right) is more unsettling than areas of disappointment with what has been put on public display.
Renzatic on 6/4/2013 at 05:43
You're stirring up that pot again, jtr. It's hard to spread the peace when you turn it into an "us vs. them" situation.
No one here has unabashedly praised Thief 4 yet, nor has there been anyone insulted off the boards because they expressed a negative opinion. Certainly people have argued, but no one has flat out flamed someone for their opinions.
jtr7 on 6/4/2013 at 05:55
There is a direct connection between not understanding what I and others keep saying, and not understanding or even seeing what the press releases are stating bluntly, and the unhealthy attitudes that should scare the living poo out of those individuals to see within themselves. Maybe it does and they don't like being shown that, and that's why the fearful attacks on human beings.
Springheel on 6/4/2013 at 12:30
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Springheel didn't think it was so slight, Renz'.
I like to nip some things in the bud.
I appreciate the intent, jtr7, but I didn't think either comment was harsh; I just had a different viewpoint to offer. :)
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members of the TDM forum are so used to being dogged that they don't know how to enjoy life with TDM not having a fight, and so they try and start them, making it unenjoyable to hang out there for me
I have to raise an eyebrow at this though...are you suggesting that there is nothing but fighting on the TDM forum? I've found it to be one of the more mature places on the web. We can have heated discussions too from time to time, but there certainly are far fewer personal attacks than I've seen around here lately. :erg:
I have some academic curiosity about how news about T4 will affect people's opinions of TDM...one of the biggest reasons people gave for not playing it was that it didn't have Garrett or the official setting (crystal arrows, mechanists, Viktoria, burricks, etc). Now that the next official Thief won't have most of those things either (having Garrett in name only) and so many other changes, I wonder if TDM might not feel MORE like Thief than the new Thief? The need to have Doom3 (the other hurdle) will be gone by the fall, so it will be interesting to see what happens.
jtr7 on 6/4/2013 at 12:32
It doesn't have to be harsh to get my goat. :p
When I look at TDM, read about TDM, play through the Training, see the promos, etc., it says more Thief and where I'd like Thief to go to me, even with the necessary changes to avoid the IP copyright issues, which, like FM liberties taken, are easily forgivable as they are perfectly understandable. I don't look at it and go WTF?! before I know what I'm looking at.
thiefessa on 6/4/2013 at 12:35
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I have to raise an eyebrow at this though...are you suggesting that there is nothing but fighting on the TDM forum? I've found it to be one of the more mature places on the web. We can have heated discussions too from time to time, but there certainly are far fewer personal attacks than I've seen around here lately. :erg:
Seconded. :thumb:
Dia on 6/4/2013 at 12:56
I think one thing that's been bothering me is the storyline. Of course, there haven't been any official announcements that Hammerites, Mechanists, and Keepers will be excluded from being an active part of the story, but the only reference I saw in the RPS article was, 'The walls are solid - this place will endure longer than the ephemeral everyday above - and they carry markers, the symbol of the Keepers, an easily missed but thrilling reminder of The City's past, the series' past and Garrett's past'. The whole 'the narrative will throw Garrett on a collision course with an industrialist Baron who has taken political control of The City, using The Watch, his personal army of thugs' just makes it sound like so many other games: reluctant-hero-takes-on-corrupt-rich-guy-and-his-thugs ... where's the magic in that? The Keepers were fascinating and manipulated Garrett (for the most part) and the stakes were a lot higher than a corrupt industrialist's stranglehold on The City. I don't know .... it was just so disappointing for me to read that Garrett's main enemy will be a rich Baron. Even Karras was a lot more formidable an opponent with his rust gas and 'servants' and all. A rich City Baron is just .... meh. I don't even.
And I bet they won't even have that little pet burrick that spouts Hammerite quotes instead of making burrick sounds and loves people who wear dark colors, either.
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Too Much Coffee on 6/4/2013 at 14:32
So are rope arrows known to be officially in? Or is the new "claw" and "rope arrows" one in the same? Or is the claw a new type of those corny climbing gloves which I will eternally loathe?
Renzatic on 6/4/2013 at 14:55
According to the RPS article, rope arrows are back, though we haven't seen them yet. The claw is a grappling hook I'm thinking you use in situations where the rope arrows won't work.
Like if you want to get up in rafters, trees, ect., you use the rope arrows. The claw is used to scale brick walls.
