Aerothorn on 24/4/2010 at 19:37

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(http://remembernovember.com/)

After the joy that was (http://gop.com/firepelosi/) Fire Nancy Pelosi, the GOP (or, in this case, the Republican Governors Association) has gone the extra mile with a much more professional (but no less disturbing) website linking Barack Obama to...um...something?

My personal favorite:

"We 'Remember November' so that we can prevent the fiscal disaster waiting for our children and grandchildren. No longer will we allow politicians concerned with their political career to choose debt and irresponsibility over making the difficult choices. Soon America will be unable to dig itself from the burden of growing debt."

Thief13x on 24/4/2010 at 20:50

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No one doubts the severity of the growing national debt. What we do doubt is which party is responsible for it. As long as each party (and their supporters) continue to see it as the other's party's fault, it's never going to get fixed. Both parties are guilty, end of story.

The rhetoric from the Right at the moment, however, is enough to make the food poisoning I just got over come back. Then again, the Left justifying every controversial dollar spent with how much the Right spent on wars is just as sickening. Since when did two wrongs make a right?

Thief13x on 24/4/2010 at 21:17

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Your point would have been better off with a chart just through 2008 but your point is well taken

I prefer this chart: http://www.boot.com/image002edit.gif

Morte on 26/4/2010 at 14:48

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Hard as it can be to imagine, sometimes one side is actually more wrong than the other.

When one party stands for tax and spend, and the other for cut taxes and spend, it's entirely appropriate for the republican party to shoulder more of the blame for the inflating debt.

Rug Burn Junky on 26/4/2010 at 16:45

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It's worse than that. You're right that there's no equivalency at the moment - Republican administrations actually incurred more debt than Democratic ones. The thing is, it's not just a question of how much debt is incurred, it's about the circumstances in which that debt is incurred. On that count, the republican party is even more egregiously wrong. Even with a large deficit, the stimulus was necessary debt to prevent things from getting much worse. I fucking hate deficit spending, but dire times call for drastic measures, and this has been necessary - not just on its own, but specifically to correct past mistakes.

Here's the analogy: Suppose you have a guy who's a total fuck-up. He runs up ridiculous debts on his credit card for gambling and drinking. He runs his car into the front lobby of his office building. Gets fired. He's out of work for a year, and still drinking every night, running up more and more credit card debt at 28% interest.

Suddenly, he decides to get his life back together. He needs a job, and to get that job, he needs a new car, and a brand new suit. So he gets a relatively low interest rate card, pops down to Brooks Brothers for a suit. Goes to his local credit union, and begs until he can take out a loan for a car.

Guess which one of these two personalities is which?

Yeah, sure, once he's trying to get his life back together he's still going further into debt, but he's doing it in productive ways - in order to earn more money in the future than he otherwise would so that he can pay off the drunken spree he had before. When you're up to your eyeballs in debt already, putting shit on your credit card is a bad idea, granted, but when it's a choice between trying to get back on your feet or ending up homeless, it's a "least bad" alternative made necessary by previous choices.

That's what the Tea-tards don't understand and that's why the criticisms about unfunded wars are perfectly valid. The debt incurred by the current administration is not just not as bad as the debt incurred by Bush - it's precisely Bush's fucking fault that we need to do it in the first place.