CCCToad on 1/4/2010 at 05:17
Illogical as it is, a lot of the radical behavior can be traced back to the belief that either you believe exactly as they do, or they are damned to hell. Its something that gets harped on constantly by the less sane followers of Christianity. I've seen it myself a lot recently as somebody's been putting up Jack Chick comics and similar materials around Uni here for the past few weeks and all have a dire "accept Jesus as your personal savior or go to hell!" tone to them.
This teaching is absent in a lot of the less radical church. For example, activities like the "God hates Fags" protesting and "Repent Amarillo" is notably absent in American Catholics. Its not a coincidence that the Catholic Church has (
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_salv.htm) dropped exclusionist beliefs After Vatican 2. Therefore, Catholics do not have a mandate to go out and try to persuade people of other religions to convert by any means necessary. Another part of the behavior is simply cultural. To see the difference, watch Pat Robertson and then compare him to the most famous Catholic television personality, Mother Angelica ((
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_oSH-n_s0) youtube link and link to (
http://www.motherangelica.excerptsofinri.com/) EWTN's audio archives)
Runaway on 1/4/2010 at 17:35
Quote Posted by CCCToad
Illogical as it is, a lot of the radical behavior can be traced back to the belief that either you believe exactly as they do, or they are damned to hell. Its something that gets harped on constantly by the less sane followers of Christianity. I've seen it myself a lot recently as somebody's been putting up Jack Chick comics and similar materials around Uni here for the past few weeks and all have a dire "accept Jesus as your personal savior or go to hell!" tone to them.
This teaching is absent in a lot of the less radical church. For example, activities like the "God hates Fags" protesting and "Repent Amarillo" is notably absent in American Catholics. Its not a coincidence that the Catholic Church has (
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_salv.htm) dropped exclusionist beliefs After Vatican 2. Therefore, Catholics do not have a mandate to go out and try to persuade people of other religions to convert by any means necessary. Another part of the behavior is simply cultural. To see the difference, watch Pat Robertson and then compare him to the most famous Catholic television personality, Mother Angelica ((
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_oSH-n_s0) youtube link and link to (
http://www.motherangelica.excerptsofinri.com/) EWTN's audio archives)
If Catholics aren't exclusionist then why can't other Christian denominations participate in the eucharist or why does the Catholic church insist that children MUST be raised in Catholicism? I agree that they are better than most churches in that they don't preach in your face "accept Jesus as your personal savior or go to hell!"- but they still believe it don't they, that the actions of your life will lead to a judgment? I don't like the damnation talk myself with it's hypocritical judgment, etc. But if you really believe that people are going to go to hell, aren't you going to try to educate them? However, a lot of people refuse to analyze viewpoints other than their own and I guess that is what makes them insensitive and less respected in the eyes of others.
Btw, not all Protestant preachers come across like Pat Robertson...evangelicals appear to be some of the more extreme. However, the more I see the more I think that all churches including the Catholics have some flaw- radical or not.
Martin Karne on 8/4/2010 at 12:40
Come on, one thing is rater obvious there, homo pedo priests don't go to hell, apparently.
Ask mister "fix it", yes that would be the actual pope that when he was a cardinal swept it all under a carpet of bureaucracy.
CCCToad on 8/4/2010 at 21:41
Quote Posted by Runaway
If Catholics aren't exclusionist then why can't other Christian denominations participate in the eucharist or why does the Catholic church insist that children MUST be raised in Catholicism?
Its not part of the definition of exclusionism: that if you don't follow our religion, you are guaranteed to go to Hell.
Runaway on 9/4/2010 at 00:30
Quote Posted by CCCToad
Its not part of the definition of exclusionism: that if you don't follow our religion, you are guaranteed to go to Hell.
Well then are the people who say that technically really being exclusionist? Wouldnt they be inclusive by trying to get ppl to follow their beliefs (including them)?
And by exclusion, I mean believing that YOUR way is the one/main/only/most right way and that everyone else is wrong. Protestants have this to a strong degree, but Catholics do as well with the insistence that you keep raising kids in the Catholic church- though I think it may be exclusionist in order to keep up membership of Catholic rather than "our way is only way." But then the eucharist thing seems to indicate, as well as Catholic doctrinators I've heard bash Protestantism (lesser degree than similar Protestants), that Catholics believe their "method" of living life according to Biblical methods is the best.... and I wonder if some Catholics believe is the only way. I mean, what about Protestants who don't pray to Saints, don't believe in technicalities of penance/indulgence, or don't believe in Pergatory?
Sorry, sort-of ranting. I guess I would concede with a book I read a while back that denominations need to work together rather than arguing over petty doctrinal differences..... loving God and your neighbor I guess would be considered far more important.
