henke on 3/5/2023 at 10:04
Yeah yeah yeah, we got it. Today's players are dumb and reviewers are incompetent, you're the only one who can tell it like it is.
God, you're such a bore, chk.
faetal on 3/5/2023 at 10:34
Quote Posted by henke
Yeah yeah yeah, we got it. Today's players are dumb and reviewers are incompetent, you're the only one who can tell it like it is.
God, you're such a bore, chk.
:cheeky:
chk772 on 3/5/2023 at 10:52
Quote Posted by henke
Yeah yeah yeah, we got it. Today's players are dumb and reviewers are incompetent, you're the only one who can tell it like it is.
Hey, someone understood it. Maybe there's still hope for humanity. ;)
BTW, as you think I'm so wrong, just look at that shit fest of reviews on Steam for Redfall, then play the game, and see for yourself if it's that bad. I think it isn't. Surely not that prime of Arkane's work (far from it), but, those reviews are just dumb and incompetent, to use
your words.
ZylonBane on 3/5/2023 at 17:01
Quote Posted by Brethren
I had to laugh when near the beginning of the game, you approach a building and a giant help window appears, saying PLAY YOUR WAY. It then describes in detail 3 or 4 different ways to approach the situation (instead of letting us figure it out on our own). It's like it's trying so desperately hard to be an immersive sim.
Prey did the exact same thing. Tutorial areas gonna tutor.
Renault on 3/5/2023 at 19:11
It's not so much that they're tutoring you, but that they're treating you like a 2 year old. "You can lockpick the side door, you can climb up and enter through the roof, you can fight your way through to the main door.." along with a mini detailed map with arrow trails pointing out the exact route you should take for each option. It's as if you've never played a video game before.
EvaUnit02 on 3/5/2023 at 19:51
Quote Posted by chk772
What I absolutely don't understand (once again) is the review bombing. Kids these days. I bet none of these people have even played it longer than an hour or so. Maybe Steam should do it like Amazon, and only allow reviews after 20 hours of gameplay, minimum.
Lol, I was right... reading how long they played the game now. 0,7 hours, 1,2 hours, 1,6 hours, 1,4 hours... great. :)
People can't be giving their honest opinions, right? If the general gaming populous disagrees with you it's certainly "review bombing", right?
The reviews with less than two hours reviews can be explained away by users refunding this unfinished garbage within Steam's returns window.
Quote Posted by Brethren
It's not so much that they're tutoring you, but that they're treating you like a 2 year old. "You can lockpick the side door, you can climb up and enter through the roof, you can fight your way through to the main door.." along with a mini detailed map with arrow trails pointing out the exact route you should take for each option. It's as if you've never played a video game before.
AAA publishers do focus test their games and you'd be surprised by how necessary the intense handholding often is. Eg God of War: Ragnarok was criticised for its handholding... Soyny Santa Monica designs their games to be completable by notoriously incompetent game streamer DarkSydePhil.
[video=youtube;eSB29qx6sWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSB29qx6sWw&t=2278s[/video]
Aja on 3/5/2023 at 20:42
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
AAA publishers do focus test these games and you'd be surprised by how necessary the intense handholding often is.
It's true. I think of my dad as the archetypal "average gamer," and while he will play a game for hundreds of hours when he gets into it and becomes comfortable with the systems, he won't tolerate a lot of friction at the outset, and he bounces off games pretty easily, to the point where I've stopped buying them for him as gifts because I can never predict what he'll actually like. He's got a thousand hours in Breath of the Wild and Skyrim (each!) but I couldn't get him to play more than an hour of Dark Souls or Subnautica. Would that all gamers were as gluttonous for punishment as we are, but sadly the majority aren't.
Yakoob on 4/5/2023 at 00:12
Best way to describe it I've heard: "every game is someone's first game"
Pyrian on 4/5/2023 at 02:39
Quote Posted by Yakoob
Best way to describe it I've heard: "every game is someone's first game"
...It seems for many people,
every game is their first game. :p In fairness, though, a ton of things that are patently obvious to the dev(s) are much less obvious to
anyone else.
