Reason for emigration #2: Scotland is a nation of bitter drunken louts. - by Scots Taffer
oudeis on 30/9/2006 at 11:56
Actually, according to (
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/footy/) canonical sources, UK domestic economic production breaks down as follows-* Ireland- Guinness, fighting
* Wales- Sheep, dirt
* Scotland- Haggis, Scotch eggs
* England- Ninjas, lasers, gold
I guess it comes down to the theory of Comparative Advantage.
edit- staufu stronz, can't you for fucking once post something that isn't so ostentatiously enlightened and moral and cunting superior?
Raven on 30/9/2006 at 12:44
From what I know of the irish - they can still smile while being drunk and down on their luck. As for the tensions and terrorism, I have felt the atmosphere shift when someone says they come from Derry instead of LondonDerry* - but mostly the folks that I know have the good manners steer away from that sort of thing; sometimes it results in the two different groups just not mixing, but at least they don't go dragging their crap into every pub they walk into (outside Eire and N.Ireland and nowadays I am talking about of course). Unlike a scots dickhead where even if I met a fellow scot in eygpt I would still half expect the dreaded question of "Do you support rangers?". This question is not driven by generations of still recent terrorism/supression and is mearly a bloody stupid question yet could still result in (and is more likely to) a bottle in your face. Yes Northern Ireland has a history of terrorism - scotland has orange walks purely BECAUSE we like to stir up shit that is mostly dead (though ask the masions and they will tell you the catholics are running the country, ask a catholic and it is the other way around... your standard orange man is just pissed because he is passed over for emplyment and feels better blaming the catholics instead of the masions). These attitudes and opinions are best discovered during the quiter more reflective moments of a very drunken night out - you know, when peoples REAL characters emerge - and then in the morning can be passed of "oh that was drunken rubbish I was just talking"... again this is a characture of scotland - I am led to believe that now-a-days we are all very enlightened, well educated and productive individuals... infact we are all making great progress into our program of trying to grow beards to look like richard branson. :p
Shevers on 30/9/2006 at 13:05
Quote Posted by Raven
Unlike a scots dickhead where even if I met a fellow scot in eygpt I would still half expect the dreaded question of "Do you support rangers?"
Well, that isn't even restricted to Scots in my experience. A foreign kid (Spanish iirc) on a plane once tapped me on the shoulder, said "Scottish?" I nodded, and then said "Celtic or Rangers?" :erm:
Take from that what you will
DaBeast on 30/9/2006 at 15:10
Quote Posted by Raven
From what I know of the irish - they can still smile while being drunk and down on their luck. As for the tensions and terrorism, I have felt the atmosphere shift when someone says they come from
Derry instead of
LondonDerry Fixed
Quote Posted by Raven
but at least they don't go dragging their crap into every pub they walk into (outside Eire and N.Ireland and nowadays I am talking about of course)
It happens. I was on a flight to Santa Ponsa (known as the thirty thrid county) with my mates, sitting adjacent and behind were a group of protestants, muttering things like "I hope I'm not sitting beside a bunch of taigs" not that that kind of behavoiur is limited to protestants mind you.
In Spain "Magdaluff I think" there supposedly a nightclub with a sign on the door say "No Dogs, No Irish"
It's alot more peaceful now but theres still a long way to go. I was part of a cross community were they brought a group of us to work in Canada. Roughly 14 protestants 4 Northern Catholics and about 6 southerners. For a while we didn't get along so well, not fighting or anything but we just didn't really talk becasue we all thought the others were bigots. But after two days in Canada it was all irrelevant, one side was singin rebel songs and the other were singing their songs and it was all good natured and a lot of fun.
That is until some members of the group started fuckin around and getting on like a plank. One guy put his own head through a window in a bar and got himself deported. Some places even barred Irish people because they couldn't trust them to drink at peace.
lomondtaffer on 30/9/2006 at 18:30
Listen Scots ( I can call you Scots, can't I?)
You make some valid points, but are you forgetting the warmth and kindness of ... Glaswegians for instance. I'm a middle aged woman who knows better than to wander out amongst the binge drinkers, but let's be honest, there's drunken loutishness in many a country. I've lived abroad and at home, and while Scotland has its faults there is a core of genuine kindness in its people (sober and drunk) which I have seldom found to such an extent elsewhere.
True, there is a culture of drink (which our overbearing and embarrassing Scottish Parliament - oh, cringe why did I vote them in?) are 'dealing' with, but I could name many countries that have a reputation for drunken temper and fighting ( I won't though - flaming burns, man, it burns)
I ran out of money in Glasgow one late night (long story) and a taxi driver drove me home, bought me a burger and a coffee and had NO ulterior motives. I could tell many similar stories of the kindness of Scots, so please just remember, we're NOT ALL BAD !:angel:
Pitch on 30/9/2006 at 18:47
I just dropped by to say that "in before Scots_Taffer" would be a great epitaph. Thank you.
jimjack on 30/9/2006 at 18:57
Quote Posted by lomondtaffer
You make some valid points, but are you forgetting the warmth and kindness of ... Glaswegians for instance. I'm a middle aged woman who knows better than to wander out amongst the binge drinkers, but let's be honest, there's drunken loutishness in many a country. I've lived abroad and at home, and while Scotland has its faults there is a core of genuine kindness in its people (sober and drunk) which I have seldom found to such an extent elsewhere.
True, there is a culture of drink (which our overbearing and embarrassing Scottish Parliament - oh, cringe why did I vote them in?) are 'dealing' with, but I could name many countries that have a reputation for drunken temper and fighting ( I won't though - flaming burns, man, it burns)
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I'd be interested in what part of Glasgow your from. I have found those traits come out when someone wants something out of you. At least the area Im from;)
The impression others seem to get of Scotland, I'm finding as a Scot in Canada seems to be exclusively about football, Protestant/catholic mostly from Rangers FC/Celtic FC, a slight nation's anger against England and about the worst vocabular, grammer and pronunciation ..although it doesn't seem to bother the canadian girls too much. oh and bagpipes haggis nessie and tossing cabers about.
:cool:
Shevers on 30/9/2006 at 19:06
And I would walk 500 miles...
Raven on 30/9/2006 at 21:33
Aye lamondtaffer does have a very good point - I should probably have mentioned our ability to be completely bi-polar in my lists of character flaws too. Scottish folk can be the kindest and nicest people you could ever meet, willing to sacrifice anything to as see a complete strange well. In fact, we can even take this trait to fault; I have known people/occasions where somebody has been so giving as to bring detriment upon themselves. While I do complain about us Scots being bitter and jealous folk, we are also amazingly big hearted and ultimately lovable (but then, I thought that that went without saying! :cool: )
Glasgow (and the smaller surrounding towns/burghers) is the heart land of such altruistic behaviour. My theory being because Glasgow seems to be the one town where the majority don’t feel the need to prove anything to anyone (forgetting for a moment all the sectarian football/business madness)
So watch out! Catch a Scot at the right time, in the right place, after the correct number of pints/cans of IRNBRU, under a ray of sun poking through the sky, and they too may be fighting the instinct to give you their last five pound - because you happen to have forgotten your wallet to buy hair gell this month.
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Yep, lomondtaffer, I was talking about big, loud and angry generalisations (and apologised for such at the end of the OP) and in that way Stronts - in his usual unflappable manner - pointed out another equally futile genralisation, except mine is far more generalised and conducive to a discussion than his is but we won't quibble on the extent of our generalisations. My initial post wasn't meant to be a condemnation of all Scots (despite the inflammatory title), far from it, but it was definitely a rant against a primary part of Scots culture (or lack thereof) and how even moving to the other side of the world doesn't escape the small-mindedness that prevails when a lot of Scots get more than a pint in them.
And again Raven hits the mark again, except I'd say that the people who are likely to give you their last fiver so you can get a cab home are the same poor bastards, like me and my friends, who end up facing the broken end of a bottle or the brow-side of a forehead because we've got our hair gelled, or are dancing too funkily, or we're having too much of a laugh, or our girlfriends are better looking, or we look at them the wrong way, or - in a crowded dancefloor - you may even presume to bump or jostle them for a second. Although true enough, you can catch the fuckwits in the generous grace period between "enough drinks to love everyone in the world and think they're your pal" and "I will kill you if you breathe the same air as me".
Let's not even touch on Sectarianism guys, I don't want this to be a twenty pager. ;) Not to mention that I think a large proportion of people just won't get it.
