heywood on 14/4/2024 at 19:33
I'm undecided on that one. Like a lot of modern architecture, it looks a bit sterile. Perhaps too much whitewash. The building that looks like a Greek temple seems out of place.
mxleader on 14/4/2024 at 19:39
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The cadet chapel above is spectacular in person, and it's perfectly suited for the USAF academy and inspiring to the people who attend service there.
It's certainly impressive but there's a lot of expensive roof leakage issues most likely due to the unique design. It cost 3.5 million to build and now it's going to cost around 150 million to renovate. They do pump through a lot of cadets though so it's definitely getting used. Due to it's stealthy design I had missed it on Google maps for years before spotting it.
Nicker on 14/4/2024 at 20:34
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I mean I don’t want to be found dead at a football stadium on Sunday or anytime but I’m fine with them existing and people enjoying themselves there, despite the damage football hooligans are causing.
Let me know when football hooligans start a global holy war.
I hope that chapel wasn't built with tax payer's money.
Nicker on 14/4/2024 at 20:43
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I'm undecided on that one. Like a lot of modern architecture, it looks a bit sterile. Perhaps too much whitewash. The building that looks like a Greek temple seems out of place.
It is a bit Cecil B. DeMille. I like the cohesion and the open, public spaces. Perhaps with some more ground level decoration and greenery it will seem less sterile.
Harvester on 14/4/2024 at 20:51
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Let me know when football hooligans start a global holy war.
I hope that chapel wasn't built with tax payer's money.
The 20th century regimes where religious beliefs were strictly forbidden and believers were persecuted caused more casualties than all the religious wars in history combined. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Kims, etc. I know that atheism is not strictly the
cause of those atrocities, I'm just saying that people will always find an excuse to bash each others brains in, if it's not religion then it will be political systems, economic injustice, a certain philosophy, ethnicity, tribal conflicts, the simple lust for power etc.
Also you didn't answer my question, what is it to you if I want to peacefully worship on Sunday where I'm not harming anyone and it inspires me/us to be a better person? Why do you want to take that away from peaceful believers like me? I agree by the way that it's a beautiful church. There are a lot of beautiful churches (the Notre Dame just got rebuilt, also with the support of many French atheists who find it an inspiring landmark), beautiful religious classical compositions, beautiful religious paintings and statues, etc. Atheism doesn't seem to inspire great art thus far.
If you want a strict comparison between Dutch hooligans and believers, by the way, fine: hooligans are detracting from society, Dutch churches (also mosques to a lesser extent) are doing a lot of good public service not just for their own congregationists but for the whole of Dutch society. It's almost bedtime so I'm not going to list examples with links and all, but the activities of Dutch religious places of worship have a net benefit to society while hooligans do not.
heywood on 14/4/2024 at 21:10
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It's certainly impressive but there's a lot of expensive roof leakage issues most likely due to the unique design. It cost 3.5 million to build and now it's going to cost around 150 million to renovate. They do pump through a lot of cadets though so it's definitely getting used. Due to it's stealthy design I had missed it on Google maps for years before spotting it.
You made me Google it and it's now up to $220 million due to the asbestos found. Not worth it.
In that sense, it's like a lot of modern architecture: designed to last in the architect's mind, but using unproven construction methods that require reverse engineering at considerable expense to repair. A lot of Frank Lloyd Wright homes suffer from that too.
Sulphur on 15/4/2024 at 03:49
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Atheism doesn't seem to inspire great art thus far.
I'm not fundamentally agreeing with Nicker's take, because the thing about religion is that it's a complex set of things to consider (on balance, I prefer to not be religious but I have no problems with those who find faith helpful in being better without harming themselves or anyone else) -- but this isn't fair. The requirement to believe in god is independent of a person's ability to create great things. It's certainly helped with some beautiful works of art, but I counter that the body of stories and art and great works of engineering by people indifferent to god, questioning 'god', or declaring that god does not exist are at the very least their equal, just in a different mode.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_film,_radio,_television_and_theater)
Here's a wikipedia list of some artists.
Harvester on 15/4/2024 at 07:27
Yes, that comment was too snarky, I agree and apologize, I was lying in bed and thinking about how I shouldn't have phrased it that way. I myself enjoy many works of art created by atheists and benefit from the fruits of their scientific labor. But I do take offense to tiresome memes like 'science flies us to the moon, religion flies us into buildings' because those meme posters forget that religious people are fully active in all levels and disciplines of science.
heywood on 15/4/2024 at 11:39
Funny you should say Cecil B. DeMille, because at first glance it looked more like a movie or video game set than a real place to me, kind of soul-less.
Medlar on 15/4/2024 at 16:18
A rare place of worship, it has areas for most religions.
