Shug on 21/2/2009 at 04:27

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People say that about me, too

Herr_Garrett on 21/2/2009 at 08:28

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I'm not sure if you have studied history, but the Glorious Revolution 1688-89 was preceded by the Civil War 1642-51, which was extremely bloody. You know, when Charles I was executed (and that is how absolutism came to an end in England), the nobles murdered, and general wholesale destruction commenced under Cromwell. The Glorious Revolution was no revolution at all. It simply meant the William of Orange came to the English throne without fight (and that's not true, either, in Scotland some serious battles were fought and in Ireland as well).
Has anybody ever heard of the Revolution of Revolutions, the Great French Revoution? With 300,000-500,000 death toll? Call that bloodless.
The Hungarian revolution in 1956? You know, when Budapest was trampled into ruins by Soviet tanks.
The revolution in the 19th century, the ones that all ended in war? You know, the Greek, the Italian, the Hungarian, the Wallachian, the Russian, the three French, the German, the Brazilian, the Polish revolutions? You know, the Spring of Nations? Or, for that matter, the Great Socialist Revolution of October (which was in fact in November)?
The "revolutions" following the dismantinl of the Iron Curtain were, again, no revolutions, simply changes of régime.
Certainly, revolution by definition is bloodless...

Oh, and actually, I guess in the US you haven't heard of it, what with you never having any revolutions whatsoever, but revolutions always end up in tyranny, without exception (altough, actually, now that I come to think of it, the US is a dictature... The dictature of stupidity). Because, you see, you have a country full of bloodthirsty people running amok with assorted guns (rather like the US after the War of Independence). Will they lay down their arms? No (rather like the US after the War of Independence). How can you stop them? Tell them to stop fighting amongst each other and kill someone else, like, hmm, the Indians (rather like the US after the War of Independence)! OK, when those other guys have been killed off, then you can have a second go as a civil war (rather like the US after killing off the Indians). When that stops, there are too few people left to fight, so for a while war stops (rather like the US after the North vs. South game). Then you have peace for a while, and you prosper, but suddenly you find that there are too many of you and people consume too much. What's the answer? Why, conquest! Rather like the actions in the 20-21th century of a, and I name no names, certain superpower situated on the Nothern American continent.

In fact, as demonstrated above, every empire starts with a revolution and a civil war. And empires are per definitionem dictatures. The First (the Roman) started with the civil war under Sulla, or you can say that after Caesar's death, it doesn't matter. The Second (the Frank, and later the Holy German-Roman Empire) started when the Sicamberian Franks killed off the Salic Franks, and went off the conquer Gallia from Dux Sygarius. The Third (the Nazi German Reich) started with the Beer Putsch, when Hitler killed off some guys and nearly started a civil war (small civil wars galored anyway in Weimar), and he later did conclude a small civil war, namely the Night of the Long Knives.
Hey, guys, who knows, yours might be the Fourth!

D'Juhn Keep on 21/2/2009 at 10:11

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You don't get to criticise others after making a post this stupid

Yakoob on 21/2/2009 at 14:21

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Hahahaha, I love the tags for this thread!

Kolya on 21/2/2009 at 16:52

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Herr_Garret, so you found one of my examples (the glorious revolution) needed some historical background. I thank you for that. It doesn't invalidate my point though: "People in many countries have managed to overthrow governments peacefully."

I didn't say, there'd never been bloody civil wars and revolutions. Besides, the so called 3rd Reich is generally considered to have started with the Machtergreifung or Brown Revolution on 30. Januar 1933. I guess you're referring to the Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch on 9. November 1923 here when you say "Beer Putsch", but that was unsuccessful and Hitler was arrested.

Finally here's a bit of advice on your behaviour in these forums: You may not realise it, but you come off as of a toffee-nosed pompous ass. I don't think you're stupid, but you're not wise either, because you lack humility. Try to work on that please. It will help you a lot in the end.