Herr_Garrett on 21/2/2009 at 18:29
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And a general gun ban and control obviously makes it harder for criminals to acquire guns.
Not really. The thing about criminals is that they don't obey the law. So they will get arms anyway.
I humbly observe.
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Herr_Garret, so you found one of my examples (the glorious revolution) needed some historical background. I thank you for that. It doesn't invalidate my point though: "People in many countries have managed to overthrow governments peacefully."
A very minor minority.
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I didn't say, there'd never been bloody civil wars and revolutions. Besides, the so called 3rd Reich is generally considered to have started with the Machtergreifung or Brown Revolution on 30. Januar 1933. I guess you're referring to the Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch on 9. November 1923 here when you say "Beer Putsch", but that was unsuccessful and Hitler was arrested.
And released after circa 6 months. But that 6 months in prison turned him into a national hero (the poor guy fighting against oppression, for the greater good of his people), and instead of a 1000, he had millions of followers. His power base, and thus the Reich, was thus founded then, to my mind. But you might know better.
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Finally here's a bit of advice on your behaviour in these forums: You may not realise it, but you come off as of a toffee-nosed pompous ass. I don't think you're stupid, but you're not wise either, because you lack humility. Try to work on that please. It will help you a lot in the end.
Should I comment on that? Our opinions differ. And so does our knowledge. I think I'm as humble as needed. But if anybody says that revolution can be bloodless, I think he's wrong. And I will unhumbly say so. And check: I'm not trying to convince you (=forcing my opinion on you), I'm just proving (or trying to prove) that you're wrong.
Jason Moyer on 21/2/2009 at 18:30
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You're grasping at straws now. Maybe I could build a gun myself, but a large scale self made gun trade would probably soon be discovered. Besides it doesn't even begin to compare to everyone legally having firearms in their house.
I think it would be a lot easier to conceal homemade weapons than it would be to conceal a marijuana plant.
Koki on 21/2/2009 at 18:39
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Well let's see, guns and mary jane are banned here. The gun ban is handled far more restrictive though. I can get mary jane easily, that's true. But I wouldn't even know where to start about acquiring a gun.
I wouldn't even know where to start about making porcelain dolls, either. Nor would any of my buddies.
Crazy world.
Jason Moyer on 21/2/2009 at 18:45
Now that's just crazy talk. You probably have a secret china cabinet hidden in your basement full of all kinds of illegal imported porcelain goodness.
Aja on 21/2/2009 at 19:35
I'm a Canadian and I've never actually seen a real gun. Seriously.
june gloom on 21/2/2009 at 20:05
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And a general gun ban and control obviously makes it harder for criminals to acquire guns.
this thread is pretty fucking stupid to begin with but you really stand out
Kolya on 21/2/2009 at 21:20
dethtoll: A general gun ban makes it harder for everyone to acquire weapons, hence also for criminals. Actually it's even harder for them because former crimes can be checked before purchase. I'm describing a system here that exists and works in many countries that have a lower gun related crime rate than yours, buddy. And if all that doesn't convince you, just try and calculate the chances of you or a loved one being shot vs. the American government becoming totalitarian. Then pass me a better argument than "you're stupid".
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And released after circa 6 months. But that 6 months in prison turned him into a national hero (the poor guy fighting against oppression, for the greater good of his people), and instead of a 1000, he had millions of followers. His power base, and thus the Reich, was thus founded then, to my mind.
Given that logic any date when the nazis gathered followers could be taken to start nazi Germany. For practical reasons historians generally take it to be 30. Januar 1933, the day when Hitler actually came to power.
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But you might know better.
Do not, however subtly try to connect me with nazis, because of the country I was born in. Seriously, you don't want to.
Aja on 21/2/2009 at 21:26
actually okay, I've seen police sidearms. but never drawn.
june gloom on 21/2/2009 at 21:39
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dethtoll: A general gun ban makes it harder for everyone to acquire weapons, hence also for criminals. Actually it's even harder for them because former crimes can be checked before purchase. I'm describing a system here that exists and works in many countries that have a lower gun related crime rate than yours, buddy. And if all that doesn't convince you, just try and calculate the chances of you or a loved one being shot vs. the American government becoming totalitarian. Then pass me a better argument than "you're stupid".
First you say guns would be banned, then you say that background checks would prevent criminals from buying guns? But wait, I thought THE GUN BAN prevented criminals (and everyone else) from buying guns? Make up your fucking mind. And please, stop pretending that making something illegal means people won't find another way.
I should note that many countries in Europe with low gun crime also have mandatory military service. Of course, feel free to yell at me for having an uninformed opinion on someone else's country, unlike everybody else in this thread.
And of course, I live in a country that, at least in your little worldview, is so full of guns that I could get a Glock in my cereal box and
throw it away, and yet nobody I know has ever been murdered, by gun or otherwise.
jtr7 on 21/2/2009 at 22:22
"Radical" gaze most common threat to the paranoid.
