Race vs. Gender (a USA political thread) - by ChickenMcOwnage
SD on 6/2/2008 at 20:14
Quote Posted by heretic
That's "by and large" a myth. The Republican base was practically frothing at the mouth at the prospect of Rice's candidacy a few years back, and she is both black and a woman.
Well, you got me there. Evidently, no racists or sexists are Republican voters.
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Huckabee a white tax and spend Republican.
McCain a white tax and spend Republican.
Hillary a white tax and spend democrat
Obama a black tax and spend democrat.
If you are for increasing the power of the central government and higher taxes I'd say this is your election!
The problem is that for 8 years, the US has had a no-tax and spend Republican in charge. Sooner or later Bush's little bribes to the Haves and Have-Mores are going to have to be paid for.
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And none of these folks are going to get us out of Iraq.
It's unlikely that there will be an immediate withdrawal, sure, because it would be pretty shitty to cause such an immense fuck-up in Iraq and then just leave them to clear it all up. But I'd imagine that someone like Obama, who didn't actually vote for the war in the first place, would bring the troops home as soon as was morally and politically expedient.
Pyrian on 6/2/2008 at 22:02
Quote Posted by heretic
..and don't forget that it was Republican's in Georgia's legislature that repealed the Jim Crow laws as their first act after the Democrats hundred year reign.
The Republican party was not always what it has sadly become today.
heretic on 6/2/2008 at 23:53
Quote Posted by Pyrian
The Republican party was not always what it has sadly become today.
You'll find no disagreement with me there.
Starrfall on 7/2/2008 at 00:03
I'm just posting this everywhere there's election talk don't mind me.
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Dear Friends and Family;
For the first time in my life, I am planning on voting for a Democratic candidate for President, Barack Obama. Choosing to do so marks somewhat of a departure from my political allegiance, since Obama's voting record is less then ideal and his policies are sometimes less then progressive. But Obama offers something far more important to his potential success as our chief executive; a vision of governance based on hope and idealism, and a growing movement of traditionally marginalized people gaining inspiration from his leadership.
Policies are not made by individuals. They are made by movements, and movements are made by inspired people. The real question we should each be asking during elections is this; Who will inspire me to pursue my own vision of the future?
Aside from the catastrophic failures in vision, planning and practice which have dominated our government during my life, government has failed to inspire. The rampant myopia and crony-ism has hurt us most by coercing us into inaction, leaving access to government solely to those motivated by profit or revenge. It saddens me to say that Obama has not proven he would exclude these voices (as Edwards and Kucinich would claim to), but I have faith in this; he will listen to our voices as well.
So in closing, I leave it to you to learn more about Obama's policies, just as I will be doing now that I've joined his campaign. But I also ask you to think about the world you want to see, to imagine the next five, ten, twenty years of American politics, and to ask yourself whether that vision can start with Obama being elected. If that idea excites you, the time to act is now. If you decide to vote for Obama, here's all I'm asking you to do; tell two people you wouldn't normally have told.
Much love, Jaime
Ghostly Apparition on 7/2/2008 at 00:39
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I certainly didn't want to say it like that. But, you know as well as I do, its true, for the most part. People do want change. I want change. I wish to god I was wrong, hey, stranger things have happened. I just really don't see it happening. I bet McCain will be the next president.
I do hope in our life time (*sometime*), we will see either a black man or woman president. I hope so. For Billary, and Obama to come this far, has to say something. We will see change, just not right now.
Well, you being in Texas, I understand you might think like that as you probably have a good proportion of the good ole boys there. I at first thought like you, but some of the results from super Tuesday have caused me to rethink this.
First, Democrats are going to the polls at a rate of 73% more than the
turnout of republican voters. Thats a huge change. It doesn't hurt that Bush
and Cheneys poll numbers are at the lowest point of just about any sitting president. Lets face facts here, Bush has screwed up big time and just about everyone with a brain knows it.
Second, The republicans are in disarray, the conservative base can't decide who to support and all the conservative radio talk show hosts hate Mccain.
By all accounts, the pundits were predicting McCain to sow it up after super tuesday...they were wrong. Romney won the states he's lived in basically while Huckabee won all the evangelical voters in the south. It doesn't sound like a republican recipe for a win in November to me.
And just a added aside to all those who said that Whites won't vote for a black man..How do you explain Obama's wins in Utah and Idaho? Last I checked there weren't any blacks in those states to speak of. Its been said
Salt Lake City airport is the Whitest airport in the country. I've been to Utah, my sister lives there so it is true.
The_Raven on 7/2/2008 at 01:13
That didn't prevent Bush from being reelected.
Ghostly Apparition on 7/2/2008 at 01:16
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That didn't prevent Bush from being reelected.
Right, but then the conservatives were in agreement about their candidate. He was after all a sitting President. Alot of voters are reluctant to vote out a sitting president, especially a wartime president.
Democrat turnout in 2004 was nearly even with republican if not less.
Super Tuesday voting... approx 8 million Republicans turned out to vote,
14.5 million democrats turned out to vote. if this trend continues in the general election it'll be a far different outcome than 2004.
paloalto90 on 7/2/2008 at 02:30
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It's unlikely that there will be an immediate withdrawal, sure, because it would be pretty shitty to cause such an immense fuck-up in Iraq and then just leave them
No president is going to jeapordize access to oil in the middle east.Which is why we are building bases in Iraq there now and the main reason for the war.
A CIA report which sited the possibility of instability in Saudi Arabia was I am sure one of the reasons why a branch of the neocons decided to invade Iraq.
The short sited policy of the oil men and bankers leaves the question of whether the American people would have supported breaching the soverignty of another country to ensure access to oil had they been presented with such a choice.The flag waving and crys for democracy are just window dressing even though a lot of Americans bielieve it.Where was the desire to give Iraqis democracy before 9/11.
Without any hard push for conservation,alternative forms of energy and domestic oil drilling,(because the former two methods mentioned won't cut it as far as energy independence),the US will be caught between ethics and survival even if american imperialism wasn't part of the equation.
Are any of these candidates talking seriously about this?
