Race vs. Gender (a USA political thread) - by ChickenMcOwnage
Starrfall on 26/2/2008 at 15:07
Quote Posted by Clinton spokesman Phil Singer
"I find it interesting that in a room of such esteemed journalists that Mr. Drudge has become your respected assignment editor," he lectured. "I find it to be a reflection of one of the problems that's gone on with the overall coverage of this campaign."
He went on to chide the journalists for their "woefully inadequate" coverage of Obama, "a point that has been certainly backed up by the 'Saturday Night Live' skit that opened the show this past Saturday evening, which I would refer you all to."
Saturday Night Live, people.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/25/AR2008022502501.html?wpisrc=newsletter)
Jennie&Tim on 26/2/2008 at 22:35
Well, you see, stuff like getting on people's backs because they change their minds irritates me just as much as other sorts of negative campaigning does. People do change their minds and positions, unless they're robots of some sort. I think NAFTA is a good thing overall, and we need more treaties that open trade up even more, myself; so I prefer Hillary's earlier position, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape over her changes. I know I'm in the minority on that issue though.
And I'm not sure hope is the proper frame of mind for the country at the moment. We've got an awful mess in Iraq, and a quagmire ahead for the economy due to the overextension of credit and the aging of the population. Anyone who tells me we can fix it without a whole lot of pain gets a sideways squint from me; I toss all those "You're A Millionaire!" flyers I get too. People don't pull together without a short-term crisis of some sort, and I think Obama greatly overestimates people's willingness to settle things by simply talking them through. I like him as a person, and I respect him as a thinker, I just don't see him being able to organize people for day-to-day matters effectively. It doesn't mean he can't get people all wound up and emoting in the same direction; but that's a different skill from delegating and managing people to run all the boring details over the long haul.
And, from a strategic standpoint, if we elect a Hillary/Obama ticket with him as VP, then we have good, strong candidates for Pres for the next four elections, assuming something can actually be done to make the economy work for everyone. That's the alligator in the sewer, I think things are really going to tank over the next four years. If I wasn't worried about the Supreme Court and civil rights, I'd vote Republican just so they could take the heat for the mess.
Swiss Mercenary on 26/2/2008 at 23:25
This is seriously getting me to the point that were I an American, I'd be voting LOL BUSH THIRD TERM if Hillary got the nomination.
If the way she's been running her campaign is anything to go by, you guys will be fucked.
fett on 27/2/2008 at 01:07
I'm pretty sure that, as usual, we're fucked anyway. Which pretty much means all of you guys are fucked indirectly. At least you have a decreased chance of contracting our std's that way.*
*std here refers to sexually transmitted disease, not Strontium Dog. Wait...I guess it would work either way.
Ghostly Apparition on 27/2/2008 at 03:22
Quote Posted by BrokenArts
Can I watch?
You want to watch fett kill every third male? ;)
BEAR on 27/2/2008 at 04:16
Quote Posted by aguywhoplaysthief
That's all. That's what he offers. If you agree with his political views, then great, vote for him. But this hysteria - I'm just baffled by it.
You are baffled by the fact that people want to have hope? Empty though it might be, being inspired is quite enjoyable, you should try it.
For the most part, I agree with you. I'm just enough of a cynical bastard these days that I find it hard to get into Obama. I'll see a rally or speech on TV and start to feel invigorated by it but something always clicks and I think "I wonder who wrote this for him". I know thats a shitty point, but when thats the majority of your campaign its hard to avoid. If he wins the nomination I will support him obviously, and I hope he can live up to the hype, but I dont know if I have that much faith in it anymore.
It bugs me that the most experienced candidates never had a chance at all.
Quote Posted by Swiss Mercenary
This is seriously getting me to the point that were I an American, I'd be voting LOL BUSH THIRD TERM if Hillary got the nomination.
If the way she's been running her campaign is anything to go by, you guys will be fucked.
Good thing its not. By the same reasoning, her campaign is more a reaction to Obama's rather than a real indicator of her positions. I have no doubt that, an old unlikable bitch though she seems to be, she would be an effective administrator. I do however believe that Obama is more electable than Hillary; I think the country is more sexist than it is racist, and I think to many Men, the thought of a woman running the country is unbearable (or maybe just Hillary).
Swiss Mercenary on 27/2/2008 at 07:27
Quote:
her campaign is more a reaction to Obama's
Vitrol, sleazyness, and underhandedness, in response to open positivity?
:thumb:
Something makes me doubt that she's just posturing for the sake of the election.
Ko0K on 27/2/2008 at 07:57
It may seem bad, but you should know that they're not trading fatal blows, knowing that one of them will end up endorsing the other in the end. There is no exception to this rule.
(edit) The political theater as of late has demonstrated to me that we have little confidence in each other across the party isle, and electability seems to matter more than demonstrated competence. Maybe we should have another civil war and get it out of our system.
