Race vs. Gender (a USA political thread)

Starrfall on 18/2/2008 at 20:19

No one thinks he's going to solve every problem in the world you nitwits.

D'Juhn Keep on 18/2/2008 at 21:31

Quote Posted by paloalto90

But in America he won't be a dictator he will have to work through Congress.A rude awakening awaits.

yeah I bet this will be a real shock to him when he finds it out

Starrfall on 18/2/2008 at 21:42

I think the rude awakening is for the tens of americans who think they won't have to pay rent once he's elected or something.

Fringe on 18/2/2008 at 21:51

My rude awakening was when someone belched in my ear at four in the morning.

PigLick on 18/2/2008 at 23:28

you havent been woken up by me if you think thats rude

a flower in hell on 19/2/2008 at 00:02

Quote Posted by Thirith

Why the "instant"? Why is that more important than allowing enough time for the checks to be thorough and, ideally, nation- rather than statewide?

Because I don't like waiting for my toys! T_T

Also those instant checks ARE federal. They're done through the FBI, which is why they are called such. Quick, painless and linked to the NCIC for accuracy.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System)

Ghostly Apparition on 19/2/2008 at 01:11

Quote Posted by aguywhoplaysthief

Obama is just another in a very long line of ambitious manipulators who happens to be better at convincing people that his bullshit is genuine than anyone else in the last couple of decades. Oh, and his website has a laundry list of center-left positions instead of center-right ones.

Inspiring! For me, in 8 years, the only thing that will change is that my 1040 will be a bit more complicated to fill out.

That's all. That's what he offers. If you agree with his political views, then great, vote for him. But this hysteria - I'm just baffled by it.

Great, you think Obama is a bullshitter. Great. maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
So, who you gonna vote for? McCain? Yeah, great, another 100 years in Iraq McCain. Yesterday I'm against torture, today after getting the republican nomination I'm all for it.
If all you really have against Obama is that he is charismatic you don't have squat. JFK had charisma and was a inspiring candidate, how horrible!

flexbuster on 19/2/2008 at 02:27

Here's an idea: How about looking at how these people have actually voted on issues?

(www.ontheissues.org) is pretty decent as far as that thing is concerned. Less guesswork necessary!

aguywhoplaysthief on 19/2/2008 at 04:20

Quote Posted by Starrfall

Hahahahahaha how dare he be inspiring without being beaten and thrown in jail first!

Leave those grapes on the vine a little longer, they'll sweeten up.

My issue is this - what is he inpiring people to do? He isn't inspiring people to actually make a difference, like King did to inspire people to take to the streets, or to change what they think about people of another race. He isn't inspiring people to join up and fight against an oppressive imperial power, like many of the founders of the country. They talked about principles that were above any one individual, about principles around which people should take real action.

Obama is inspiring people to "join the movement for change", which solely involves joining his campaign to get himself elected. "Yes we can!...elect me to office". Which makes him just like every other politician, only perhaps a bit better at it than some.

It would be one thing if he were actually inspiring people to believe in liberal principles if they don't already, or to make real action on these principles if they already do. He isn't. I shouldn't have to go on a website to actually know what Obama stands for.

His campaign is only a cult of personality campaign - he talks, but doesn't actually say anything meaningful. It's pretty safe to say that I am rather more of a "rightist" than you, but I listen to Obama's speeches and there isn't anything that I find objectionable. That should concern you.

To be honest, if he didn't have a reasonably consistent track record of positions, I would even call him dangerous.

Starrfall on 19/2/2008 at 04:31

They don't need to believe liberal principals as long as a working common ground can be reached. That's one of the things he can do.

But you're not here to be convinced, are you. That's ok, you'll still be invited to the giant party he's going to throw for america if he wins.

edit: and of course getting him elected is a main thrust of the "movement for change." He's the one who's proposing to do what his supporters would like to see done. And he's got the best shot at getting the most done. That's why they're his supporters. Do you think these criticisms through before you write them or do they just sort of sneak out before you can stop yourself?