Rug Burn Junky on 11/10/2007 at 19:12
Quote Posted by demagogue
60's/80's vs 80's/00's gaps
It's an interesting thought, but I don't think I necessarily agree. I think there are two things going on here which you're discounting.
One, the dividing line you're giving is right on the cusp of your own cultural consciousness. So what you're seeing from the 70's is more familiar, even if only just barely, because you witnessed it first hand.
The other thing is that what you're witnessing in going back to earlier material isn't necessarily just social changes between the 60's and 70's, but how it was portrayed in media. Not to discount the fact that there were extreme social shifts in the late 60's, but I don't think they were as extreme as you're perceiving them, because what you're witnessing is also the birth and rapid evolution of communication in video and audio media. It was in its infancy then and making exponential strides since, such that the differences in media between the 60's and 80's were more profound than the differences in the last 20 years, and also more than the social differences in the same time period.
The 80's are going to appear more familiar to kids now because technology has preserved it better, and in forms that are more familiar. So yeah, to a kid who sees an old Voltron cartoon, he can place it in a similar vein as Yu-Gi-Oh!, but even so, my nephew is just as dumbfounded that I enjoyed Atari games as I was that my parents watched TV in B&W.
I think part of it is that media went from being a top down phenomenon to a more organic one. "Normal" people didn't talk differently then, so much as they were portrayed in a very stylized manner, leading those of us who weren't there to think that that's how day to day life was when we see the media that filters down to us today. Looking instead at candid home movies and the like, people seem much more like the "normal" we perceive today.
fett on 11/10/2007 at 20:12
Quote Posted by heretic1dg
One thing barely relevant I can add. 80's music was pertinent beacause 80's music was made
for us.
That's a HUGE difference in the music of that era. At Bon Jovi/U2/or hell, even a Cure concert, you were there
together with other people in celebration of life, music, sex, drugs, etc. Watch the live shows of bands like Van Halen or The Bangles - everyone is on the same 'team' as it were. All fists raised, everyone singing along.
When grunge and alternative dominated in the 90's, concerts were no longer celebrations. It became a much more personal, isolated, and introspective event - focused inward rather than outward (Alanis Morrisette anyone?). As the 00's came in, angry music became more mainstream (Korn, Disturbed, etc.) and live shows marginalized people even more.
This is just my perspective as someone who grew up in the 80's, then tried to survive the music scene in the 90's, always feeling a step behind where the vibe was. I just couldn't be political, or angry, or depressed enough to be relevant at the time.
BrokenArts on 11/10/2007 at 20:16
OMG, is that Depeche Mode like when they were all what, 16 years old? Good lord.
Trappin on 11/10/2007 at 21:35
Who the hell says there's no good music from the 70's? The 70's had great music and the big band "wall of noise" style of sound from the 70's kicks some serious ass.
Funkadelic: Still sounds great today. Check out P-Funk Mothership Connection .. Bootsy Collins freakin kills on bass.. look at the bass - lmao.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_LRYezOfeo&mode=related&search)
Southern Fried Rock: Little Feat with Lowell George playing
Fat Man In The Bathtub. Couldn't find a live version of the song :mad:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZsSydzQjM)
Wow.
BrokenArts on 12/10/2007 at 09:15
Yeah, that is DM, in the first photo you posted, I'm a big DM (Depeche Mode) fan. They look sooooo young! Younger than 19 in that particular photo.
Interesting in the new photos you posted, number 2, the guy on the right, don't recognize him, I've never seen him before.
Wonder who he is?
Dave Gahan gets better with age. ;)
Rogue Keeper on 12/10/2007 at 09:34
Andrew Fletcher, not?
By the way, I'm also interested in Wilder's project Recoil, less poppy and more experimental, although the last album subHuman is too psychedelic for my taste.
ZymeAddict on 13/10/2007 at 08:11
Quote Posted by demagogue
But when you watch "normal" people talk from the early 60s, 50s, 40s... like on old news clips ... they just sound alien, like they aren't really speaking their mind but spouting out group-think, faux politeness, everything people now ridicule in 50s movies.
Why? Because they can actually string a coherent sentence together with a modicum of an intelligent vocabulary, and without resorting to four letter words? :rolleyes:
Personally, I would prefer some of that "faux politeness" and "group-think" to the constant base language and moronic opinions which pass for communication in this new, glorious, post-1960s world.
Rug Burn Junky on 13/10/2007 at 13:46
Fuck off and die.
Jackablade on 13/10/2007 at 14:18
Quote Posted by ZymeAddict
Personally, I would prefer some of that "faux politeness" and "group-think" to the constant base language and moronic opinions which pass for communication in this new, glorious, post-1960s world.
Nobody would say this in the 50's.
