henke on 2/11/2009 at 16:02
Quote Posted by fett
I pretty much treat them like the adults I know they will become, instead of dealing with them gently. I call them liars when they lie, tell them to gtfo when they act like pricks, or encourage the other kids to disassociate with them.
Quote Posted by fett
some people are just fated, either by genetics or environment, to be soulless shits
By "environment", do you mean like adults treating them like shits and telling other kids not to play with them?
Kolya on 2/11/2009 at 16:10
To be fair, fett's priority is probably to protect his own kids from them, which is understandable. Still that "the world is mean and so am I" attitude towards children is a bit off. But I bet that he isn't always or even usually like that. He's too much of a sissy at <3
Morte on 2/11/2009 at 16:55
Quote Posted by Singing Dancing Moose
yeah dude, this thread about a dead puppy is indeed about you
is there some way to be against both gang rape and puppy killing? and can i join that club without wanting to beat my chest on a videogames forum or kill anyone in a righteous fury?
Not being willing to join the anti-puppy kicking coalition and parade around like upholding the minumum moral standards was some sort of exceptional virtue means you condone puppy-kicking and should be kicked to death like the puppy-kicking-condoning bastard you are :mad:
fett on 2/11/2009 at 18:08
Quote Posted by henke
By "environment", do you mean like adults treating them like shits and telling other kids not to play with them?
What I mean is that most kids have a generally set conditioning and disposition by the time they are about 5 or 6. I mean kids whose home environment has turned them into spiteful little gremlins that don't care who or what they have to go through to get their way. Some kids become introverted and to some degree, pliable in this environment - those kids, I try to be nice to, treat them better than their parents, try to help them learn acceptable social skills. Other kids become like their parents - insufferable shits for whom you could cut off your arm, and they would beat you to death with it to get the other one. Those are the kind of kids for whom kindness and compassion are *generally* wasted because they've already learned that any one who shows them mercy or grace is a rube to be conned, lied to, and stolen from. No amount of compassion on my part is going to change that - it's doubtful by that age that a change of environment is going to change it.
So Kolya's right to some degree. I don't protect my kids from that type because they need to learn to deal with people like that in life. But I call them on it when they lie about how my garage door got broken, or how they were just "borrowing" my son's bike. I tell them it's bullshit and that they are liars and I do it very forcefully because that's all they respond to. A kid with a more passive disposition I would never think of treating that way. I'm talking about 8 year olds who are already as worldly-wise as most 18 year olds and no one should have to take their shit just because they're little. Twenty years from now they're not going to look back on me treating them nice and realize they are horrible people and they should be nicer because that guy in my neighborhood treated me nice once. On the other hand, if I don't deal with them firmly (never physically just to clarify) now, they'll have stolen, broken, or pawned all my kids toys, torn up my house, and destroyed my car within the month because they are selfish, destructive little shits.
But I'm also not in favor of the "world is mean and so am I' attitude, because yeah, I'm a sissy. It's a matter of finding the balance between being an asshole and a doormat, and my kids need to learn it to. It's just that I used to give a lot of benefit of doubt and I don't anymore because it never really pays off. If I peg a kid as being a shit the first time he's over here, that suspicion is always confirmed on repeat visits. So I cut to the chase - this is a kid who will inevitably grow up to become a puppy-kicker and I can't change that. I can however change how his stupidity affects me or my family. I'm always first with compassion but I'm tired of suffering fools too. That's why I have most of the people here on ignore. ;)
bikerdude on 2/11/2009 at 19:19
Quote Posted by fett
This is a kid who will inevitably grow up to become a puppy-kicker
...the likes of him and his mates deserve nothing less than to be cabled tied blind folded, bound, gagged, naked to a lamp post on a round about with a sign around their necks with the words "Im a little c**t, and I enjoy it".... (the modern day equivalent of a headstock)
I wonder how many people would stop to help...if any!
Kolya on 2/11/2009 at 19:31
Knowing that you're incapable of irony makes your post even more disturbing.
Vivian on 2/11/2009 at 19:35
Yes, because blind violence is the perfect antidote to blind violence you stupid git
bikerdude on 2/11/2009 at 22:13
Quote Posted by Vivian
Yes, because blind violence is the perfect antidote to blind violence you stupid git
...only the threat of violence was intimated...:p
Tocky on 3/11/2009 at 01:52
Actually bikerdude said "deserve" so no need to be quite so kneejerk. Just a valve opening.
Quote Posted by Singing Dancing Moose
yeah dude, this thread about a dead puppy is indeed about you
is there some way to be against both gang rape and puppy killing? and can i join that club without wanting to beat my chest on a videogames forum or kill anyone in a righteous fury?
I have a stalker/foil. Cool. But yes, everything is seen through the distortion of our own lenses and I've seen the hot buttons of many here, enough to point them out as they amuse me. Yours is me, which I also find amusing. This is community chat and much like a community/dysfuntional family. The videogame portion is just an adendum for many. And yes, you can display whatever cold dispassion or hubris you like.
Quote Posted by fett
I really believe some people are just fated, either by genetics or environment, to be soulless shits (and please don't regale me with stories of how "one caring adult" changed the life of a child. Please). Stories like these pretty much confirm that for me, though I wish I could have more faith in humanity. There's just no hope for some people.
As the twig is bent so grows the tree, true enough, but how do you know for sure at what point they are beyond hope? I've seen first hand how genetics plays a role in reaction to the external and I know that if you are the one around them most it can be overcome past age five (although the one I'm thinking of had enormous heart). That is the trick though. They have thier parents genetics and are being raised by them.
Seems a shame not to try anyway, although I do understand not wanting your own influenced by them. It may do them some good to get an explaination in detail about why you don't want them about. At the very least it will give them a taste of how the world is going to react to them as adults should thier behavior not change.
I keep thinking of Clockwork Orange and Country of the Kind by Daniel Keyns.
PigLick on 3/11/2009 at 02:28
Quote Posted by Tocky
Cool. But yes, everything is seen through the distortion of our own lenses and I've seen the hot buttons of many here, enough to point them out as they amuse me.
nicely put
