Thirith on 23/12/2011 at 10:42
Scots, it may just be that we understand "Alien-related" very differently. I don't want this film to be a direct prequel in the usual vein - I'm hoping for something better and more interesting from Ridley Scott - but if the film is set in the same world, uses many of the same motifs, aims for a similar mood (dread, ominousness, paranoia) and has direct links that go beyond easter eggs for the fans (the space jockey, the alien ship, the egg chamber - which is at least strongly evoked), I consider the film Alien-related in a way that goes beyond vague Extended Universe-type ties, even if there's not a single xenomorph or facehugger. Other than that one link, this trailer makes the film look at least as Alien-related as the Alien vs. Predator movies.
Scots Taffer on 23/12/2011 at 12:06
I think it's largely semantics; to me an Alien-related movie features xenos and face-huggers as that's been the staple of every Alien movie in the franchise and also the AvP spin-offs. :)
SubJeff on 23/12/2011 at 13:33
So if they find evidence of xenomorphs, or precursors to them, or plans to develop them as long as you don't see any it's not Alien-related?
pffffft
This thing may not BE Alien: The Prequel, and not explicitly ABOUT xenos, but to not want to call it Alien-related is just silly. Even if it never mentions them, nor the possibility of their development or existence it's got the same alien tech and company in it. It's related.
dema - RE: seeding human life. Battlestar Galactica? It's been done in many sci fi novels too. I remember reading a short story with this premise when I was a teenager.
Muzman on 23/12/2011 at 14:36
This has probably been mentioned somewhere, but: The sort of temple imagery and the arranged amphora shaped things are straight out of the original Alien script. Originally the Nostromo 'away team' found the crashed ship which led them to a pyramid which had a temple inside with all the eggs stored thus. They cut it down to just the ship for pacing and budget reasons. Make of that what you will. (one of the AVPs actually injected stuff cut from the original backstory back in as well. Which got Dan O'Bannon a nice fat lawsuit cheque).
Scott's a cheeky fella. I think underneath it all he'd rather say screw the whole broken continuity and then override it with his own, which would probably be better frankly, but he's not rude enough to do that.
He will still cut back in things like eggified people into the original, which shows the life cycle was meant to be much weirder than the Space Termites Aliens gave us. And now we have "Well, it's not a true prequel" ("because like hell I'm accommodating the rest of the crap in this franchise" is I think the subtext there).
Neb on 23/12/2011 at 18:07
Isn't "reboot" the word for it?
Renault on 23/12/2011 at 18:20
"Reboot" would be more along the lines of redoing/reimagiing the existing stories that we already know so well. This is completely new, so no.
But if this movie covers events and topics (the ship, the space jockey, the eggs w/aliens, etc.) that lead to what's found on LV-426 at the beginning of Alien, as far as I'm concerned it's a prequel.
Hewer on 23/12/2011 at 19:05
I think I have to agree with Scotts- all I've seen at this point is the trailer and the posts in this thread, but it seems to me that this is a story told in the Alien verse with no connections to the Alien stories. The Alien stories tell about humans contact and interactions with the xenos, while Prometheus tells about humans contact with something else- apparently the space jockey race or whatever they are. The fact that the space jockey and Weyland Yutani are in this film just means that they are part of the same universe.
I see it as something like archaeologists finding a lost pyramid in Mexico that's been hit by looters. The xenos are the looters, and the Alien films follow Ridley's adventures with them, while Prometheus goes back to tell the story of whoever made the pyramid in the first place.
That's the impression I get at this point, but regardless, Ridley Scott and the Alien verse has me squeeing like a little girl at a puppy party.
Volitions Advocate on 24/12/2011 at 04:34
Original Giger artwork.
obvious space Jockey and Derelict imagery
Creepy hallway on derelict ripped right out of Alien
Re: Muzman noting the original alien script w/ the Urns (i was going to mention this myself)
David Giler
Walter Hill
Its Alien guys.
Maybe Scott said it isn't alien because nobody did a good job of what he started and has disowned the franchise (save Fincher, fox should have let him run wild).
Might be a mix between a reboot and a prequel. Something new, rebuilt on the old. Maybe not a reboot, but a redo. The entire Alien franchise was a flop. Low profits, low numbers sold etc. It could be a boost to the new project to stay away from officially relating to alien in anyway. While still being alien.
Renault on 24/12/2011 at 05:05
Quote Posted by Volitions Advocate
The entire Alien franchise was a flop. Low profits, low numbers sold etc.
Um...say again? :laff:
demagogue on 24/12/2011 at 06:04
No John, you are the aliens!
